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  1. #411
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    Duuude007's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kat_Manx View Post
    Nobody should be forced to skip cutscenes.
    Likewise, nobody should be forced to spend 50 minutes on a 20 minute run. Regardless of the potential bonus reward.
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  2. #412
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    No, I don't want a barrier. I want people to actually go and get their carrot. While being nice. But who am I kidding, I don't even meet nice people out in the real world.
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  3. #413
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duuude007 View Post
    Likewise, nobody should be forced to spend 50 minutes on a 20 minute run. Regardless of the potential bonus reward.
    If the run takes 50 minutes, it clearly isn't a 20 minute run. Perhaps you forgot to factor in the time it takes to watch the cutscenes? /smile.
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  4. #414
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kat_Manx View Post
    If the run takes 50 minutes, it clearly isn't a 20 minute run. Perhaps you forgot to factor in the time it takes to watch the cutscenes? /smile.
    The devs designed the game with a feature to specifically prevent any formerly seen cutscene from EVER being played again if enabled. So yes, these players are absolutely idle, as they have seen it.

    Which, as I have said before, is not an issue, so long as these same players can move ahead in the dungeon without being harassed about doing so by the... newbies.
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  5. #415
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kat_Manx View Post
    While being nice. But who am I kidding, I don't even meet nice people out in the real world.
    No, you want people to give up extra time for nothing, when they're already committing time to something they don't necessarily want to do (and only agreeing to because they're being bribed into it by the game design, for the benefit of people that came to the game later than everyone else.) Common decency and being generally nice dictates you're going to do that from time to time, but on a daily basis, to the tune of perhaps a whole day's playtime lost?

    That's called consumer entitlement. And it's not appropriate here. SE provided a way by which you can find groups and ensure you won't have to skip cutscenes. Use that instead.
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  6. #416
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duuude007 View Post
    The devs designed the game with a feature to specifically prevent any formerly seen cutscene from EVER being played again if enabled. So yes, these players are absolutely idle, as they have seen it.

    Which, as I have said before, is not an issue, so long as these same players can move ahead in the dungeon without being harassed about doing so by the... newbies.
    Well, that feature you mentioned was implemented extremely recently.. like..a month ago, or something? So the game wasn't really "designed" that way. They just added it later, and you can clearly see why. The majority rules..but..the majority is not always right.

    Repeat argument:

    Want stuff fast? Go do dungeon that goes faster.
    Want to be nice and help newbies while getting carrots? Join roulette, and actually BE nice.
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  7. #417
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    Mizuki Ishikawa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kat_Manx View Post
    Well, that feature you mentioned was implemented extremely recently.. like..a month ago, or something? So the game wasn't really "designed" that way.
    You're skipping over the bit where the way the game was designed *didn't work* and endgame story waiting times were putting people off paying their subs.
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  8. #418
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kat_Manx View Post
    Want to be nice and help newbies while getting carrots? Join roulette, and actually BE nice.
    See, you can still be nice without wasting 30 minutes doing jack squat. By allowing them to watch to their heart's content, as the rest of us clear the way. We don't harass them, they don't harass us. Easy.
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  9. #419
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    Welp, as an FC when someone gets upto CM and Prat for the first time we run them through as an FC and leave them to experience it fully. cutscenes and wait for them to finish before starting fights.

    Especting 7 strangers to do the same is entitlement.

    But, theres 2 options. Either wait potentially days to be able to complete them or run them twice. Once to view the cutscenes as the rest clear and again to skip the cutscenes you watched first time and experience the fights. I know which one I would chose.

    Or be proactive and join or create either a FC or LS that is willing to run new players through said content. Instead of expecting every stranger to cater exactly to one persons needs
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    Last edited by Sapphic; 06-23-2014 at 06:19 PM.

  10. #420
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    Sakasa Kuro
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amberyl View Post
    You're skipping over the bit where the way the game was designed *didn't work* and endgame story waiting times were putting people off paying their subs.
    Really?...That was the only reason people stopped pay? Couldn't have been anything else? No one greater detail? So this change will cause people to flood back in?
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