This needs to be stopped, and immediately.

[Vahlnir]

It's a nice idea in principle, to keep populations of story dungeons higher, but in practice it's just ruined by selfish people who can't wait 5 minutes for people to get the proper experience. Can people *really* not spare 5 minutes in a 40 minute dungeon for the new guys? Are you that self-absorbed?

I've had people rage at me for using a LB on the 2nd boss of Wanderer's Palace, and making the next big pull take a total of 30 seconds from start to finish (up from roughly 15 it would have taken using the caster LB. ) That was literally their entire problem was 30 seconds, it was worse to them than the "wasted" LB. You would be amazed...

[mayonnegg]

I've had people rage at me for using a LB on the 2nd boss of Wanderer's Palace, and making the next big pull take a total of 30 seconds from start to finish (up from roughly 15 it would have taken using the caster LB. ) That was literally their entire problem was 30 seconds, it was worse to them than the "wasted" LB. You would be amazed...

That's just reminded me of an Ifrit HM I did the other day, about 15-20% left of its health left with 3 people down and a healer uses lb3 to get everyone back up, tank spends the rest of the fight raging at the 'noobs' who used the healer lb instead of a melee lb, and that they "should go kill wolves in Twilight online", which was pretty fantastic really.

[Vahlnir]

That's just reminded me of an Ifrit HM I did the other day, about 15-20% left of its health left with 3 people down and a healer uses lb3 to get everyone back up, tank spends the rest of the fight raging at the 'noobs' who used the healer lb instead of a melee lb, and that they "should go kill wolves in Twilight online", which was pretty fantastic really.

lmao...wow. XD That's hilarious. But yeah, some people make you wonder...

[SDaemon]

Well the OP of the thread stated that we should make our own groups for speedruns so I just threw the argument back.
I have yet to see a group with more than 3 newcomers. Most of the time its only 1 or 2.

Yeah ok since half the party is enough to clear it imma be an ass and pretend to watch the cutscenes whie afking for my 100 myth.

I really dont understand all this fuss about this.
Most people are ok with it but sure take away the 100 myth / roulette and have fun with your 60 minute wait time.

Fair enough and no because that would be afking and you can be vote kicked for that by any reasonable mind. That argument is purely nonsensical.

I agree there really shouldn't be a fuss because DF groups do what the majority wants, at the same time however when you have new players at the, often times ruthless and selfish, mercy of veterans over petty matters like this it kind of ruffles a few feathers.

[Joshyuchiha]

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All of the story content in Brayflox can be experienced without watching any cutscenes so that's completely unrelated (aside from the opening and pre-final boss) so there's really no issue there other than the people who queue in and expect a speed run when you may have people new to the dungeon and not familiar with "speed running", but that's a different topic altogether. The main scenario instances were designed to tell a major moment in the game's main storyline and the cutscenes are meant to be watched as you go through the instance, not in an inn room. Personally I think they should make the cutscenes unskippable, IMO if you want to farm mythology tomestones there are more than enough other methods to do so without rushing newbies through story content.

[Mcshiggs]

Personally I think they should make the cutscenes unskippable, IMO if you want to farm mythology tomestones there are more than enough other methods to do so without rushing newbies through story content.

SE, the people that make the game and decide the rules, disagree. Not only do they let us skip cutscenes, they gave us an option to auto skip them, and an option for people that want to watch cutscenes to form their own party for that, and that one isn't in duty finder, it's in the party finder.

[SDaemon]

SE, the people that make the game and decide the rules, disagree. Not only do they let us skip cutscenes, they gave us an option to auto skip them, and an option for people that want to watch cutscenes to form their own party for that, and that one isn't in duty finder, it's in the party finder.

The solution you are toting works in reverse as well. The auto skip is a quality of life feature, not something put in to further enforce the death grip on newbies.

Also you really shouldn't speak for the company or use one support ticket response to generalize. While it is all we have and can be used to base things off of, It's far from an official statement.

[Sobia]

Party finder.

[ispano]

Or they could make a PF group for only those wishing to skip cut scenes. Majority rules are fine to some extent but this whole "Use PF if you want this" is ridiculous because NO ONE is that selfless. Its just unreasonable to expect people to do that, just as when you que into a random DF, you are grouped with random people who at the start determine how they want to run the dungeon/content. If the majority want to skip cut-scenes then so be it. Having said that however, Prae/CM require less then half the party to participate in order to down the content, having a couple people watch cut-scenes isn't going to prevent you from clearing.

Since they're likely doing it as roulette, ie the ones who want to do it quickly, they can't PF it.

[Tharian]

As for running main story roulette...that's a joke, and anyone who does that is a fool, reward to time spend does not equal anywhere close to what it should be.

Actually, when you cut out all of the cutscenes (which you can do now) you only spend maybe a half an hour in the Main Scenario Dungeons per run. That means you get 100 Mythology Tomestones for 30 minutes of time invested. That is the single highest allotment of Mythology Tomestones in the game (not counting Crystal Tower, which is outright rediculous). And for essentially 30 minutes of time invested, that is actually less time than you would spend in Crystal Tower, and a way shorter Queue Time than Crystal Tower too boot, especially for DPS classes.

I have seen DPS classes spend 2 or 3 hours waiting for Crystal Tower to Queue, and only 30 minutes tops for Main Scenario Dungens. The Advantage in CT is that you can run it more than once a day and it gives the highest Mythology allotment in the game PERIOD. But that doesn't mean it is necessarily the best investment for your time spent.