This needs to be stopped, and immediately.

[Hik0]

the 80myth are a reward for HELPING people do their story dungeon.
You want to run the dungeon like you want and not how it was designed to be done (a story dungeon with CS is designed so people watch CS at least on their1st run ): you don't deserve the reward.

[Duuude007]

the 80myth are a reward for HELPING people do their story dungeon.
You want to run the dungeon like you want and not how it was designed to be done (a story dungeon with CS is designed so people watch CS at least on their1st run ): you don't deserve the reward.

Right, and helping 'doesn't count' showing them how to survive nero or ultima. While heavily overgeared to help carry.

A newbie party would struggle to clear without vets, so don't tell me that they are more entitled when they depend on vets to actually clear it in 1 attempt.

Bad argument is bad.

Special restrictions have NO place in DF or roulette. Because of this, party expectations should be made at entrance, and if they want to be indifferent to the wants of the majority of the party and watch cs, fine. Go ahead. Don't expect vets to wait for them, however.

[skaterger]

Right, and helping 'doesn't count' showing them how to survive nero or ultima. While heavily overgeared to help carry.

A newbie party would struggle to clear without vets, so don't tell me that they are more entitled when they depend on vets to actually clear it in 1 attempt.

Bad argument is bad.

Special restrictions have NO place in DF or roulette. Because of this, party expectations should be made at entrance, and if they want to be indifferent to the wants of the majority of the party and watch cs, fine. Go ahead. Don't expect vets to wait for them, however.

And what makes you think they want to be carried? I for one, can hold my own weight and thankfully never had to deal with this kind of crap when I did prae and castrum while levelling. On the contrary, if I had a bunch of i100s killing the boss so fast I can't even see their abilities in their entirety, that would majorly suck any enjoyment I would have.

These are level 50 dungeons, don't make it seem like these vets are god's gifts or indispensable to the party. A full i50 party might wipe a few times but the fights when you don't overgear them are actually pretty fun. Most of these players are in no rush to level unlike some lvl 50 players whose time seems so precious that they forget they were once in that very same position.

I never run main scenario roulette since its faster for me to do bf sr, and I don't agree with SE's stance on the matter but since there have made it clear there's nothing much else to say. I just feel sorry for some truly new players who are suddenly thrown into these types of situations abruptly when leveling before that was pretty much drama free.