Lower the TP cost on Piercing Talon

[Phyllo]

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Seriously??! I thought for sure that I once received an item that give some tp like the potions do (tho I never used it since invigorate, praise the eggnook, is more than enough to me)

But I admit PT is kinda poorly made, but still usable, all I did was saying that you can use it without running out of tp and situation in which it can be useful, but yeah unless you're in that precise kind of situation you have absolutely no reason to use it and even in those situation you can easily keep going without using it *cough* titan ex with his lame ass range for aoe *cough* x3

Altena.... I once saw a 50 pugilist going for a primal once xD so there are people who just don't give a crap about jobs (well in his case he didn't even knew that the job system exist >_>)

[NintenPyjak64]

Seriously??! I thought for sure that I once received an item that give some tp like the potions do (tho I never used it since invigorate, praise the eggnook, is more than enough to me)

There is, but it's PvP only:
Regain Feather
Icarus Wing

[Eggnook24]

Invigorate.

[Altena]

As for the issues with such skills like Feint and One Ilm Punch, the main reason they are useless is either:
a) The debuff doesn't stick
b) There is no reason to debuff (or dispel) anything worth while.

If the devs wanted to adjust these skills to make them useful, then the easiest way would be to allow them to stick to a boss - or introducing a mechanic that requires it (such as an attack buff on a certain boss that can be dispelled with One Ilm Punch), or taking these skills off GCD with 0 TP cost, and perhaps lowering the potency.

However that is a topic for another day. The only point of this thread is to allow Talon to be used at end game without it being taxing enough to the point of it actually being a set back.

[Velox]

Remember that SE designed these skills with a 2 year road map already planned out. It may be that, while PT is not THAT useful for a DRG, it could very well be incredibly useful for Lancer's 2nd job (most likely some sort of light tank with utility), thus why they felt the large TP cost was needed.

Not saying this is a definite, but just as a reminder that SE has this game planned out a LOT farther than most people realize.

[Phyllo]

You must also remember that this skill existed way before yoshida and the gang took the game, so the purpose it had back then is no longer the same.

Also, if they wanted to make this a tank skill, it would have a effect on enmity, the problem is that it doesn't and that you have to throw it quite a lot of time to actually get the mob if his enmity on your pal is high (I know because I once had to tank due to some "not the dungeon I want, seeya" guy)
So unless they bring some change to the skill, it won't be usable for tanks since the tp cost is way to high to rely on this to get mobs on you.
Personally I think they just kept it because it already existed but didn't knew what to do with it, I may be wrong but at least that way I don't wonder too much about it and do go wild with crazy theories u_u

[Alistaire]

DRG does well enough with the tools it has as they are. Just because you'd like them to be better in a different way doesn't mean the job itself would still be balanced if you got that buff.

You can't just ask for a skill to be buffed without considering that larger question: "Is the job balanced? Would it be balanced with this buff?"

As far as Feint goes, it was mentioned as another bad skill. It's obviously more of a support skill, actually makes quite a difference if you're soloing tough caster mobs LoS'ing their spells, and isn't quite as bad on a job that has lower potency per hit like BRD, not as a regular thing of course, but there's fights where the slight dps loss is worth the utility. I've soloed caster mobs in leves 5 levels above me that would've wrecked me if they could get their spells off.

[Phyllo]

The problem alistaire, is that feint becomes truly useless in end game since most mobs are immune to slow, which means that what looked at first like a nice support skill becomes an useless benchwarmer

[Alistaire]

Last place I remember using it was on BRD @ CT on iron giants. 1 person sac'ing only 20? potency for an attack in a situation with 12 dps to support the healers' need to cure that tank is hardly a useless benchwarmer, nor does it have to become a star of the show to be worthwhile.

It goes back to the bigger picture, are the jobs that can access it balanced? Yes. One could even say BRD is a bit stronger than balanced so they'd want to be careful about buffing skills they put to better use than the main job that gets them.