Ishgard' s archbisschop

[RickXRolled]

The first thing I thought to myself when I saw him during the trailer was:"Looks like they are gonna pull a Barthandelus.".

What do you guys think about the posibillity of him being some deity posing as a leader of humans to manipulate them? Looking at how overzealous most Isgardians are(witch hunts) I wouldn' t be amazed if it turned out to be true.

[Taliss]

I'm currently under the opinion that he has been tempered by Shiva.. either completely or partially. And our upcoming fight with Shiva will be bounded on Ishgardians hoping to free him, which we all know is impossible.

[Morningstar1337]

I'm currently under the opinion that he has been tempered by Shiva.. either completely or partially. And our upcoming fight with Shiva will be bounded on Ishgardians hoping to free him, which we all know is impossible.

That's assuming that the Ishgardians themselves aren't tempered. If their pope has been tempered to worship Shiva instead of Halone, that tempering would spread. Unlike normal religions, there actualy is something supernatural going on, int this case, brainwashing. The indoctrination would be permanent and Ishgard gets a new sect/cult and some brand new heresy and heretics to deal with, and they would be at a disadvantage because of the brainwashing thing, also the dragons.

There would likely be animosity between Old Ishgard (worshiper of Halone the Fury) and New Ishgard (worshipers of Shiva). Sort of like how Christians (or at least the fundies) react to Paganism (I'd say that's how they react to Muslims/Islamics but since they technically worship the same god that would be a poor analogy)

[Taliss]

If their pope has been tempered to worship Shiva instead of Halone

Can't there be the possibility that Shiva and Halone are the same? Or aspects of each other? They do share some similarities with each other. I don't remember any word on if the primals and the twelve were distinctly different from each other and there was speculation that they were related, or in fact the same.

[Morningstar1337]

Can't there be the possibility that Shiva and Halone are the same? Or aspects of each other? They do share some similarities with each other. I don't remember any word on if the primals and the twelve were distinctly different from each other and there was speculation that they were related, or in fact the same.

It's possible but there seems to be evidence aganst the Primals and the 12 being the same beings (Not unless the latter pantheon are hiding some dark secrets, which is actually par for the course in a Final fantasy title)

[axemtitanium]

Can't there be the possibility that Shiva and Halone are the same? Or aspects of each other? They do share some similarities with each other. I don't remember any word on if the primals and the twelve were distinctly different from each other and there was speculation that they were related, or in fact the same.

This actually isn't such an off-the-wall theory. Gods have been known by different names to different cultures over the years (Ares/Mars, Zeus/Jupiter, Hermes/Thoth, Guan Yin/Kanon, etc.). Halone also happens to be the member of The Twelve representing Astral Ice. It has been speculated that The Twelve are beings akin to primals. Perhaps the aetheric entity once called Halone has adopted (or been given) the name "Shiva" by her current worshipers. Since primals derive power from worship, it's possible that Halone/Shiva is trying to double dip from the beliefs of the Ishgardians and the unannounced beastmen tribe.

[Morningstar1337]

This actually isn't such an off-the-wall theory. Gods have been known by different names to different cultures over the years (Ares/Mars, Zeus/Jupiter, Hermes/Thoth, Guan Yin/Kanon, etc.). Halone also happens to be the member of The Twelve representing Astral Ice. It has been speculated that The Twelve are beings akin to primals. Perhaps the aetheric entity once called Halone has adopted (or been given) the name "Shiva" by her current worshipers. Since primals derive power from worship, it's possible that Halone/Shiva is trying to double dip from the beliefs of the Ishgardians and the unannounced beastmen tribe.

So you're assuming that hundu beastmen once found halone and named her Shiva?

I'd like to shoot some holes in this theory:

* Some Primals such as Odin and Leviathan have no correlating member of the 12
* The elements don't match the corresponding of the 12 for most of them
Im sure there are other holrs but those are what comes to mind for me.

[Naraku_Diabolos]

I just think that the Archbishop is rallying his own forces as there is going to be a big, wide-scale battle against the dragons. Or maybe the beastmen of Coerthas (giants, maybe?) are going to attack Ishgard. Shiva (in Elezen form) could be within the walls of Ishgard manipulating things within the royal family or government, so there will possibly be an attack from inside the kingdom. Who knows.

[Anonymoose]

I've been saying since 2010 that, based on Final Fantasy's history of having city authorities and religious zealots become antagonists, this Archbishop is bad news. Look at him. Jeuno with a Pope. At this point, it'd come from way out of left field if this guy and his inner circle were clean.

[RickXRolled]

I wouldn' t be surprised if the dragons are actually in the right and the ishgardians just being mindless sheep manipulated by some sinister being/person.