This game is far to difficult.

[ispano]

I see a lot of posts here that basically say "find a static group and you'll be able to beat anything." But my group is stuck on T5 and Titan EX. A handful of us have beaten Titan and gone on to the rest of the extreme primals, but we're all stuck in T5. Do we just suck that much? Because it sure feels that way based on this topic. I'm not asking for anything to be made easier. All I want is for everyone here to realize that it's not nearly as easy as most of the posters in this topic make it out to be.

Maybe if the fight weren't so unforgiving. Right now, it seems like if one person makes one little mistake, we wipe and have to start all over.

See, here's the thing. Even the people that find the fight easy, like me, make mistakes. We, or at least some of us, understand this. The problem I see is that many people make too many mistakes. Yes, too many. Then you get people who tunnel vision and miss things repeatedly. A good example of this is dive bombs. They tunnel vision on the snakes, and don't keep their eyes AND ears out for dive bombs. Or twisters for another example. Focus target, and make SURE to look at it every few seconds at MOST. But they don't, they tunnel vision whatever else it is they're doing. Things like these, each individual person has to force themselves get around, and many don't.

So one little mistake on Twin, especially with the buffs. No, that should not equal a wipe every single time. If you wipe on a single mistake nearly every time, it's not a little mistake.

[Legacy_Wolfwood]

So one little mistake on Twin, especially with the buffs. No, that should not equal a wipe every single time. If you wipe on a single mistake nearly every time, it's not a little mistake.

This^. QFT.

increasing echo and nerfing mechanics to solve t5 are not good ones. 1. you have MUCH higher ilvl gear choices than the first t5 wins which helps a ton. full i90+ gear and weps when it was being downed by people with i70s/90s. at this time people in t5 should have a lot of i100 items. 2. you got echo at 15%. that on TOP of your newly accessed gear makes youre dps, health, and heals so much better than EVER before.

youre already overgeared and overpowered for 1st time clearers. all fights in this game is scripted with very little rng. if you keep dying to fireballs, conflags, divebombs, twisters,etc., its not the mechanics that need to be nerfed, you need to learn from what you keep messing up on and correct it. pay attention to the fight. learn the fight rotation. its not the games fault that you cannot figure out how to deal with these mechanics or learn from them. the content is dated with a lot of answers out there.

[NaliaBrown]

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So I guess this means my group just sucks because we've been trying for months with echo and all of us at i90+. We know the fight. We know what's coming. It's a matter of actually doing it - that's where the difficulty comes in. We weren't good enough to beat it before. I get that. But no matter what anyone here says, I still think it's a hard fight. Knowing it and being able to do it are completely different things. I know Titan EX, too. Doesn't help when I accidentally move to early on Weight of the Land or get busted out of a Gaol into a landslide.

[kukurumei]

I do believe that the fights are overtuned such that there is a "wall" in certain areas, but alas the "rewards" are static.

I don't think anything is particularly difficult or do I have a problem with beating them (because I have). But the lack of content that scales with reward is a problem itself, where people do not try.

They need the "easy mode" route which SE has been very bad at doing. It used to be "potions/food" that gave an edge to anyone that is willing to spend money to brute force a fight, or More people route (such as the infamous ff11 zerg slander)... but developers simply are so ridget in the "SE way or the highway" it's something they have to grow out of.

Back then primal ex gave something worthwhile, now it's just something to check off.

Say titan EX, after one patch they should introduce a quest where you get a item that casts (float) buff on you for 30 minutes. When you walk into titan EX, the float makes it so that you can not get knocked out of the arena and reduce damage of weights. Can you still die? yes? will PFs make it mandatory (get this item or kick?) yes. But who cares, it's a patch or two behind.

Echo is a start, but frankly SE is incredibly tunnel vision in forgetting that they lack content to bridge the older and younger experienced people.

They need more content or scaling content. More is the proper choice but lacking that, there's only one other option

[Legacy_Wolfwood]

So I guess this means my group just sucks because we've been trying for months with echo and all of us at i90+.

if thats what you are guessing then that is up to you. but trying for "Months" with a full team of i90+ with echo and the same static over and over... sounds like someone or something that is related to the team is making the fight consistently unsuccessful.

just saying, if its a static and you all are over geared and trying for "months" with no progress. its not the fight mechanics as you had "months" to learn them.

ex: keep dying to twisters? move. focus target helps. divebombs? move. theres a big green/black circle. latency? thats not the fights fault tbh.

We know the fight. We know what's coming. It's a matter of actually doing it - that's where the difficulty comes in. We weren't good enough to beat it before. I get that.

see above. i'd expect a team learning for a month to know the fight. you should know whats coming then. not doing what you need to do is not the fights fault, thats the players end. thats not difficult if you had "months" of practice and learning.

But no matter what anyone here says, I still think it's a hard fight. Knowing it and being able to do it are completely different things.

the fight was not supposed to be easy in the 1st place. everyone knew that. but now people are able to be over geared and have an echo buff that makes the fight MUCH easier than before. Knowing it and being able to do it are the same things imo. with "months" of practice and learning, you should know whats coming and what to do. if you don't then you haven't been paying attention for "months" and just looking to get carried. so yeah, you should know and be able to do what you need to do.

I know Titan EX, too. Doesn't help when I accidentally move to early on Weight of the Land or get busted out of a Gaol into a landslide.

this is a bad example for your defense. you can move early on weight and do fine. keep moving and you'll avoid it, just try not to get your team killed by it. though 1 weight everyone should be able to eat with their ilvls now a days. and if you hit echo it'll be fine. 1 weight is better than multi stacked. but still shouldn't be getting caught in it. Getting busted out of a goal into a landslide, that is your teams fault. not the fight mechanics. if your team doesn't how to handle that situation after 1 time seeing it, then they don't know that fight as well as they thought.

i get it, we are human, we make mistakes. but you should be learning and fixing the mistakes that are able to be fixed. latency is the only thing you cant 100% fix. but blaming fight mechanics due to yourself or the team not learning and fixing is just sad.

[NaliaBrown]

i get it, we are human, we make mistakes. but you should be learning and fixing the mistakes that are able to be fixed. latency is the only thing you cant 100% fix. but blaming fight mechanics due to yourself or the team not learning and fixing is just sad.

I must not be stating clearly. I'm just trying to say that these fights are NOT EASY, even with echo and gear. I'm not blaming anything. I just want people to realize that this stuff isn't something that can be done easily and quickly if you have a static group. Seeing everyone posting here saying how easy the fight is is really discouraging to me. Maybe I'm just a slow learner, or my raid team is slow to learn. I don't know. But I'll repeat what I said - knowing what to do and actually doing it right are two very different things. And that's what makes fights like Twintania or Titan EX difficult. I refuse to believe that either of these fights are easy.