Novus Weapon Cost

[Waeksyn]

And I guess you don't realize that by keeping the gil prices up on the materia you sell, YOU are encouraging people to buy gil.
If there was no way of buying gil, there'd be no way you'd be able to charge the prices you do today.

I love it when people make my arguments for me. I sell at the market rate and use the gil to buy materia that I need at market rate. The demand is created by the design of the quest. Most people on this thread are giving great advice on SB'ing - I mention that I also SB for the quest.

Like it or not, a side effect is more gil selling for those that don't want to take the legitimate path.

[Nekodar]

I love it when people make my arguments for me. I sell at the market rate and use the gil to buy materia that I need at market rate. The demand is created by the design of the quest. Most people on this thread are giving great advice on SB'ing - I mention that I also SB for the quest.

Like it or not, a side effect is more gil selling for those that don't want to take the legitimate path.

There was demand for materia even before the quest.
I just pointed out that while you complain about gilsellers, you yourself help feed the gilseller/buyer market.

[aerolol]

I had tons of materia from leveling my alt classes and changing their equips as soon as they spiritbond and not relying on unconvertible green gear from dungeons...

I have a crapload of Materia with my retainer, enough for 2 Novus with any stat.

So I don't think this is the worst system in game. It's way better than Atma stones and books which required cursed FATEs.

[Zakalwe]

Was it that tank that insisted on big pulls or your FC-mates?
If FC-mates, they're the ones at fault for the wipes.
While I hate spiritbonders in duties myself, I don't say anything as long as they do their job.

They could have ended up with a tank that barely was able to enter iLevel wise too. Such a tank wouldn't hold aggro against dps that vastly outgear the tank in that case, which means the dps have to learn to hold back when necessary too.

The tanks were the ones that insisted on macho pulls, trying to play as if they were wearing their ilvl100 sets. They were nasty arrogant tanks who eventually rage quit calling the rest of the party a bunch of stoopid noobs. Granted, they were not likely representative of spirit-bonding tanks in general.

EDIT: I personally am annoyed by spirit bonders who like to do their thing through DF (talking full sets, not a piece here or there). Doing SB groups through PF or with FC/LS mates seems more considerate). But again, to me this is hypothetical as I haven't actually encountered it since CT days.

[LexSunfire]

i remember there used to be this complaint on the forums... that gil in this game was pointless.

there also used to be a complaint that materia was pointless too, beyond the three needed for each relic weapon.

SE just gave gil and materia a greater purpose and made it important.

[Giantbane]

The heart of the problem is that the spiritbonding system sucks. A gear based game that encourages you to wear crappy gear for something repetitive like farming (not for an achievement or trial), is bad. Other games (particularly ones you run around farming hordes of demons from a top down view...) have already learned this lesson.

It's worse when the game is encouraging you to wear crappy gear in a group setting since gimping yourself will effect others. This is especially true when the wearing of that gear is purely for personal gain (spiritbonding your own materia) and has no benefit for the group.

I find it really strange that SE refuses to make the very well designed crafting and gathering systems effect core game play (beyond the singular crafting of a component of a relic weapon, that isn't required to be HQ so just about anyone can do it once they hit 50) for fear it will encourage RMT sales. However, they're willing to throw in this massive dependence on their horrible spiritbonding system, which is no less prone to encouraging RMT sales.

With that said, I'm going to go the cheap route and not use any Tier IV materia. You can put more than 2 stat types into the novus weapon, so I'll be splitting the stats on my Bravura between Parry, Acc and Det. Never putting enough into a single stat to need the Tier IVs.

EDIT: I personally am annoyed by spirit bonders who like to do their thing through DF (talking full sets, not a piece here or there). Doing SB groups through PF or with FC/LS mates seems more considerate). But again, to me this is hypothetical as I haven't actually encountered it since CT days.

It will be back with CT2

[Borland]

Seemed like it was quite a problem that there wasn't any reason for lower level materia or even a lot of max level materia for a long while, and now there is, and it's creating a market for materials and gear for just spiritbonding.

This all seems like a great way of getting gil moving around.

[Ginga_K]

On estimation
Cost : Scroll + Ink = 1500myths

Alexandite Map
Shop - 800myth each - Total 60,000myths
Dude - FOC - limited 1 per day.
Materia - 75 pieces X Gil

Hence: if 2hrs game time only per day,
FOC : 7/week + Purchase : 2/week = Total 8.3wks(58 days) for 75 pieces

[Guevara]

they finally put in place a system which values gil and .... people complain because you need gil in order to progress.

SE do us a favour, take gil out of the game already!

[ServerCollaps]

the gil only change the owner


anyway, I like the novus system