WTF WHMs?

[Whatley]

WTF is it with most of you White Mages spamming Holy when there is just three mobs or less in the lv.50 dungeons? Yes, I have seen White Mages use Holy on just two mobs and even a single mob.

It's this way most of the time when I queue for Duty Finder as Bard. It's like you see a Bard in the group and you are all like "Ooh, Mana Battery!". To me you are just wasting mana.

When I see a White Mages start spamming Holy, I don't use Mage's Ballad till after the fight. At the next fight I turn it off. If they are still halfway or less on mana when we start the next fight, then oh well. They should of not spammed Holy on just two mobs. If the next fight is a boss fight, then I do leave ballad up a bit after the start of the boss fight if White Mage still needs some mana.

[Sunbrary]

So.......? Are you still getting through dungeons okay despite this? If you are then I don't really see the problem besides the flashing lights and the loud noises given off by holy. I personally don't spam holy cause i'm always paro that the tank is gonna die, but if it's not on bosses then there's no big deal... If they run out of mana then they can just use shroud of saints to make MP regen faster between pulls. nottabigdeeeeal DPSISDPS

[Songi]

As a WHM i never ask for Mage's Ballad AT ALL! Even when I'm spamming Holy in a dungeon, I only ask for Foe's Requiem so we can clear the trash faster. I'll regen up my MP on the way to the next pull or, I'll use the smaller pulls to simply relax and regen mp.

Yes, I tend to use Holy a lot, and that's because it can do 1100 damage on each target it hits on crit. 700-800 on a normal hit. With Foe's Requiem it does even more than that! Most DPS i get the pleasure of being DF'd with are below i95 and aren't pushing the dps I'm doing on large pulls. As long as the WHM isn't begging for Ballad each pull and slowing down the run asking for mp breaks I feel its perfectly fine.

[Taika]

You got it all wrong. The WHM Holying and burning their MP does not need you to recover it, they can do it by themselves with SoS and between the pulls. I've wondered why BRDs try to ballad me instead of swiftsong and requiem, but I guess you just answered my question: they're freaking out. No WHM who knows what they're doing and are well geared (item level 90+) should need ballad in any of the level 50 dungeons, ever.

This person got it right:

As a WHM i never ask for Mage's Ballad AT ALL! Even when I'm spamming Holy in a dungeon, I only ask for Foe's Requiem so we can clear the trash faster. I'll regen up my MP on the way to the next pull or, I'll use the smaller pulls to simply relax and regen mp.

Yes, I tend to use Holy a lot, and that's because it can do 1100 damage on each target it hits on crit. 700-800 on a normal hit. With Foe's Requiem it does even more than that! Most DPS i get the pleasure of being DF'd with are below i95 and aren't pushing the dps I'm doing on large pulls. As long as the WHM isn't begging for Ballad each pull and slowing down the run asking for mp breaks I feel its perfectly fine.

[Sanguisio]

What is the issue?
Between mobs there is usually enough time to regain mana via natural MP regen, however you throwing up MB shouldn't really be an issue, please remember you are a support class. What you are saying is no different to me deciding "hey that dps could have dodge that hit or popped some CDs so I might not decide to heal him because hey maybe they just see me as a unlimited supply of health.
If the healer is keeping people alive and doing DPS at the same time, be happy they aren't just sitting there but are trying to speed up the run.

The reason for using holy on mobs regardless on number is because it does the most dps, stuns which in turn reduces the mob damage output.

Personally I dont ask for MB, I dont expect it so I manage my mana so I will always have enough.

[BinaryJack]

What you are saying is no different to me deciding "hey that dps could have dodge that hit or popped some CDs so I might not decide to heal him because hey maybe they just see me as a unlimited supply of health.

This made me laugh!

[AngelicSence]

Oh no.. Holy was nerfed not because it's strong. It's because people kept asking WHMs to DPS and heal multi task. Like producer said "Healers are healers, not dpsers. We don't want to put extra pressure on players and or steal other classes role". Holy is nothing to compare Blms hell combo. Blms are capable of dealing up to 3k damage with single spell. even if we bring back original holy damage on the table (240 potency), even then Blms can easily out dps whms.

I agree with many people here who said "as long as healers are healing and not letting party members die, they can dps" nothing wrong with that. It's actually very good. However, I don't think it's a smart idea to spam holy on a single mob ( 2 - 3 is still ok ) and spamming it so hard that whm run out of mana and not ready for next pull..? that's something about player skills and not whms community.

[yahhzoo]

I don't understand the problem unless your group died. Holy is love, holy is life. We could just stand there in between healing would you prefer that?

[Lyrinn]

Personally, my priority order is:

1. If only 1~2 enemies, Holy once, then cycle Aero and Stone II spam.
2. If 3 enemies, Holy twice.
3. If more than 3 enemies, Holy spam until ~ 30% MP with SoS on cooldown.

Never have MP issues following this and I even throw up stoneskins on the last mob dying.

[necrosis]

Yelled at if we DO damage. Yelled at if we DONT.