Please Change the Wording for STR and DEX!

[JonMcFluffy]

pretty sure i heard from some where that they are redoing the ENTIRE stat system so that one job doesn't put all their points into one stat, so this whole thread is pointless.

[MartaDemireux]

Okay, been gone from forums a bit so here we go with some replies

Are you going to ignore that Lv X Petrify and Stone, is listed together with Batraal skills, suggesting that Batraal uses Stone and lv X petrify? it doesn't.

They mentioned they will be introducing exceptionally hard modes for a current dungeon. My bet would be on that one. Perhaps it gains those skills or gains a pet that uses them.

They aren't listing skills in order, and nowhere does it specifically say that dex boost is for rogue/nin...so ppl should stop saying (as you can see here, *nin will use dex*)
Also, i'm going to assume those traits are for gun class.

You're free to assume all you want. I will not be rude to you or hostile for your opinion and expect the same civility in return. However they do list a full suite of traits and they are in order albeit reverse order (the first skill is 48 and they go in order down to level 8). All but 3 are explicitly for Rogue based on the mechanics they told us about, the remaining 3 (which are needed to complete Rogue's suite) are the stat boosts which just so happen to be the DEX ones in the proper placements. Could they be for the Musketeer coming in 3.0? Perhaps. More likely that they belong to Rogue in my opinion.

Your wording would suggest that ACN/SMN/CNJ/THM/WHM/BLM would do increased damage with str....they dont, except for AA, which is hardly their main source of damage.

I do not believe my wording suggests that. DoM do not use Attack Power for anything other than auto-attacks. Their Attack Power is generated by STR, though. I stated this clearly in the post.

also remember, they REMOVED elemental wheel....to SIMPLIFY the game...

No that wasn't the case. They removed elemental weaknesses so that certain mages wouldn't be left out of certain content. BLM's main damage source is fire so they wanted to make sure they would still get invites to Ifrit. Yoshi-P actually uses that exact example if I recall. It was from an interview a year ago.

why would the suddenly complicate things by giving ninja, different mechanics?? and change how dex work, for ninja specifically?

My suggestion changes absolutely no mechanics in the game. DEX has no effect on ranged attack skills. All physical (melee and ranged) attack skills use Attack Power. Certain weapons derive their Attack Power from either DEX or STR. It really is that simple, cut and dry. The game has no way of recognizing if you used a ranged attack or not. You can use Venomous Bite and Straight Shot on MRD/GLA/PGL/LNC if you wish to see it for yourself. If you look at PGL high-allagan body and ARC high-allagan body you'll see they have the exact same stats minus STR and DEX which are of the same value. This shows that by giving NIN the DEX set there would be no difference in any calculations. The only thing that would change would be the gear appearance which hardly means anything now with glamor.

actually str should increase bow damage also, because the further back you can pull the string, the more powerful recoil, and the more force will go into the shot.

I do agree with you here. However as I said just a moment ago it's pretty much too late for that. We already have DEX in the game and we already have entire armor sets devoted to it. Simply changing the wording in the tool-tips to represent what they actually do does not take nearly as much effort. As Rogues and Fencers would thematically use DEX even in a real-world application I feel it would be more appropriate than STR.

pretty sure i heard from some where that they are redoing the ENTIRE stat system so that one job doesn't put all their points into one stat, so this whole thread is pointless.

Where have you heard this? I haven't heard anything of the sort and would be interested in reading it.

This is just another thinly veiled attempt at suggesting ninja use dex

No that was not my original intent. My original intent is simply that DEX does not affect ranged attacks. It affects the Attack Power of Bows. I later edited in the Twinblades part due to the data mining results and my own translations. You can entirely ignore the Twinblades part if you wish. My argument holds true for Ranged Attacks not being affected by DEX.

Yes I do believe DEX fits Rogue/Ninja better from an archetypal standpoint but I do wish to see them wear the Fuma set. It was purely an example based on the data mining.

Uou're jumping for a quality of life improvement you don't even know if you'll need.

We already need it. It's not for Rogue/Ninja. It's for making it clear that DEX does not affect ranged attacks as there are ranged attacks which do not use DEX. Physical attacks (melee and ranged) use Attack Power. Attack Power is based on either STR or DEX depending on the weapon. Cut and dry. That's all I'm advocating in actuality.

[Radacci]

Okay, been gone from forums a bit so here we go with some replies


They mentioned they will be introducing exceptionally hard modes for a current dungeon. My bet would be on that one. Perhaps it gains those skills or gains a pet that uses them.



You're free to assume all you want. I will not be rude to you or hostile for your opinion and expect the same civility in return. However they do list a full suite of traits and they are in order albeit reverse order (the first skill is 48 and they go in order down to level 8). All but 3 are explicitly for Rogue based on the mechanics they told us about, the remaining 3 (which are needed to complete Rogue's suite) are the stat boosts which just so happen to be the DEX ones in the proper placements. Could they be for the Musketeer coming in 3.0? Perhaps. More likely that they belong to Rogue in my opinion.



I do not believe my wording suggests that. DoM do not use Attack Power for anything other than auto-attacks. Their Attack Power is generated by STR, though. I stated this clearly in the post.


No that wasn't the case. They removed elemental weaknesses so that certain mages wouldn't be left out of certain content. BLM's main damage source is fire so they wanted to make sure they would still get invites to Ifrit. Yoshi-P actually uses that exact example if I recall. It was from an interview a year ago.


My suggestion changes absolutely no mechanics in the game. DEX has no effect on ranged attack skills. All physical (melee and ranged) attack skills use Attack Power. Certain weapons derive their Attack Power from either DEX or STR. It really is that simple, cut and dry. The game has no way of recognizing if you used a ranged attack or not. You can use Venomous Bite and Straight Shot on MRD/GLA/PGL/LNC if you wish to see it for yourself. If you look at PGL high-allagan body and ARC high-allagan body you'll see they have the exact same stats minus STR and DEX which are of the same value. This shows that by giving NIN the DEX set there would be no difference in any calculations. The only thing that would change would be the gear appearance which hardly means anything now with glamor.



I do agree with you here. However as I said just a moment ago it's pretty much too late for that. We already have DEX in the game and we already have entire armor sets devoted to it. Simply changing the wording in the tool-tips to represent what they actually do does not take nearly as much effort. As Rogues and Fencers would thematically use DEX even in a real-world application I feel it would be more appropriate than STR.



Where have you heard this? I haven't heard anything of the sort and would be interested in reading it.



No that was not my original intent. My original intent is simply that DEX does not affect ranged attacks. It affects the Attack Power of Bows. I later edited in the Twinblades part due to the data mining results and my own translations. You can entirely ignore the Twinblades part if you wish. My argument holds true for Ranged Attacks not being affected by DEX.

Yes I do believe DEX fits Rogue/Ninja better from an archetypal standpoint but I do wish to see them wear the Fuma set. It was purely an example based on the data mining.



We already need it. It's not for Rogue/Ninja. It's for making it clear that DEX does not affect ranged attacks as there are ranged attacks which do not use DEX. Physical attacks (melee and ranged) use Attack Power. Attack Power is based on either STR or DEX depending on the weapon. Cut and dry. That's all I'm advocating in actuality.

I think Brutal is just for coil, otherwise i think there's map ahrimans that use lv X petrify, and cast stone.

Not unless they do a stat revision, as someone mentioned. Otherwise any and all melee wep classes will be based on str, anything else would just be weird.

if you read the description for dex, it says *Affects physical ranged damage* how can that be misinterpreted? venom bite/straight shot is ranged for archer, not for gld/mrd/etc.
for simplicity sake, talon/tomahawk etc, are based on physical melee damage=str, otherwise they would do shit damage.
as you said, bow gets damage from dex, since it's ranged wep. twinblades are not ranged weps, therefore they do not get damage from dex.

as i stated before dex based combat should only affect accuracy, and crit rate, parry/block; that alone wouldn't be enough in this game though. Unless they add lots of complexity to stats. like increased crit damage stat.
otherwise it makes no sense for dex to affect direct damage.

ACN get int boost, it doesn't help a sch, at all.
Rogue might get dex stat, but not for damage.
well they might get something like cleric stance, that dex<->str, but that's just weird; boosting dex, just to convert it to physical melee damage.

[MartaDemireux]

May I ask why it's so important for you for Rogue damage to be based on DEX ?
What will it do that STR can't ?

It's not important to me at all. Just want DEX and STR to state that it increases the Attack Power of the weapons for which they do is all.

if you read the description for dex, it says *Affects physical ranged damage* how can that be misinterpreted?

Because certain ranged attacks do not have their damage raised by DEX and then we come full circle to my point. But I'm done debating this. I'm not giving you a "win" so to speak but I'm done with the forums as a whole (unrelated to you Radacci).

Think of me if those DEX traits do belong to Rogue though Take care all! Enjoy yourselves!

[Reynhart]

Just want DEX and STR to state that it increases the Attack Power of the weapons for which they do is all.

But nowhere is this game such evidence exist that DEX would increase attack for close ranged weapon.
So your "weapons for which they do" is based on nothing