Please Change the Wording for STR and DEX!

[Alistaire]

I think they'll be STR too, but that line from Yoshida does NOT preclude them being DEX.

Is his statement still true if they end up DEX-based? Yes. "Disciples of War" gear, which is for monks as well as bards, has DEX, and the comment was aimed at keeping gear for levelling up. End of story.

Edit: Also there could be a translation problem here, "melee" could include bard, if you were just going by 2 categories of either melee or magic.

[ispano]

I think they'll be STR too, but that line from Yoshida does NOT preclude them being DEX.

Is his statement still true if they end up DEX-based? Yes. "Disciples of War" gear, which is for monks as well as bards, has DEX, and the comment was aimed at keeping gear for levelling up. End of story.

Edit: Also there could be a translation problem here, "melee" could include bard, if you were just going by 2 categories of either melee or magic.

No. You're looking for Physical and Magic.

[Alistaire]

No. You're looking for Physical and Magic.

Semantics. My point stands.

Edit due to post count:

Yes, it stands. There's a language barrier, that can affect things. You don't know whether he includes bard under melee. The game does; the accuracy caps are the same. There's 2 caps: melee and magic. Bard fits under melee.

[TheCurls]

Your point doesn't stand. He specifically said -melee- gear.

[ispano]

Semantics. My point stands.

Edit due to post count:

Yes, it stands. There's a language barrier, that can affect things. You don't know whether he includes bard under melee. The game does; the accuracy caps are the same. There's 2 caps: melee and magic. Bard fits under melee.

It's not semantics. Physical and melee are nowhere near the same thing. Melee refers to close quarters combat. The proper opposite, in this situation, is ranged. Physical literally means just that, physical. Hitting the enemy with physical attacks, ie a spear or arrows. In that case, a bard would be classified the same as a dragoon.

The game classifies them under physical, not magical.

[RygaenYuui]

You realize that there will be other ranged classes besides Archer and Bard, right?
So wording it like it's "bow only" would honestly be misleading and conflicting.

[TheCurls]

You realize that there will be other ranged classes besides Archer and Bard, right?
So wording it like it's "bow only" would honestly be misleading and conflicting.

That's why there's a distinction between "melee" and "ranged", and also between "physical" and "magical".

[ispano]

That's why there's a distinction between "melee" and "ranged", and also between "physical" and "magical".

Indeed, and Japanese RPG makers are no stranger to those distinctions as well. This includes Square.

[Ooshima]

Semantics. My point stands.

Edit due to post count:

Yes, it stands. There's a language barrier, that can affect things. You don't know whether he includes bard under melee. The game does; the accuracy caps are the same. There's 2 caps: melee and magic. Bard fits under melee.

It is called Physical and Magic, not Melee and Magic.

Physical attacks are sub divided into melee and ranged.

[MartaDemireux]

You realize that there will be other ranged classes besides Archer and Bard, right?
So wording it like it's "bow only" would honestly be misleading and conflicting.

Yes, the tool-tip would have to be edited when new weapon types (classes) are added in. It's really not much work and could be hotfixed in. It's less work to hotfix those tool-tips than it is to go through and specify on each ranged attack on a melee class is based on STR.

You have to see this as a whole and not a per ability basis.

STR is for melee physical damage class/job
DEX is for ranged physical damage class/job

The point is that DEX says it affects ranged attack damage and there are abilities (including future abilities not yet added) which are ranged attacks and not affected by DEX. It's a consistency issue. Specifying that it enhances ranged attack damage when all it does is specify the Attack Power stat for bows is misleading. All physical attacks base their damage on Attack Power. Attack Power is derived from a stat, either DEX or STR, depending on the weapon. To label physical abilities as ranged attacks and have them scale off STR contradicts their current tool-tip.

Yoshi has said already that Rogue/Ninja will use melee DPS gear though because of their current stat wording even though it makes worlds more sense for them to be DEX based from an archetypal standpoint. If they simply change the wording they can add twinblades to DEX. The same goes for future classes such as Fencer. Fencer's have always relied on their dexterity/finesse and not on their brute strength. We can then apply this to all future possible weapon types which are physical damage but would normally use DEX instead of STR but under the current wording would need to use STR.

As I said, this request changes absolutely nothing about the current gameplay and its mechanics. It just changes the wording to reflect what the actual case is.