Benchmark for a SMN thread. (Yes this again.)

[Huntington]

Yeah, and I stopped right about here


I'm tired of all you people from FFXI making a dozen and a half threads on SMN and most of the suggestions will ruin my favorite job SCH. SMN in FFXIV is fine as is you don't need to go and make it like another FF title's SMN. They are all essentially different from each other in the way they function so it's fine being different in this game too!
Stop making threads on this and post in one of the dozens of other ones!

I listed that as a problem because I don't want to screw over SCH by reworking SMN, I don't get how you don't understand that I don't want that to occur in the process. I wasn't the one that linked the two Jobs that were completely unrelated before XIV, they had no similarities or recognizable connections ever before. And as far as I can see now, what I've listed is different from previous FF's Summoners.


So you want me to bump one of the other threads that's gone on for way too long and has lost purpose of what it was originally talking about? If I want what I'm talking about to get buried in one of those threads, that would be the way to do it.

[Dwill]

I listed that as a problem because I don't want to screw over SCH by reworking SMN, I don't get how you don't understand that I don't want that to occur in the process. I wasn't the one that linked the two Jobs that were completely unrelated before XIV, they had no similarities or recognizable connections ever before. And as far as I can see now, what I've listed is different from previous FF's Summoners.


So you want me to bump one of the other threads that's gone on for way too long and has lost purpose of what it was originally talking about? If I want what I'm talking about to get buried in one of those threads, that would be the way to do it.

Wheter it gets buried or not won't change anything. Summoner will not change as a class, it's just not happening. The sooner people realize that, the sooner this kind of threads can keep popping.

[Spellbinder]

Wheter it gets buried or not won't change anything. Summoner will not change as a class, it's just not happening. The sooner people realize that, the sooner this kind of threads can keep popping.

No, summoner will not change as a job, but they have already stated that they will be taking a second look at the Egi. Why? Because if they keep adding more (e.g. Leviathan, Ramuh, etc.), there's no point if everyone stuffs them in their drawers and continue to use Garuda. They also blatantly called out Tri-Disaster as an example of an underused skill that needs to be re-evaluated. So why not discuss ways to improve interaction with the Egi? Why not discuss how to improve underused skills? Oh right, because Summoner is perfect and we should continue to be Garuda trainers in pursuit of becoming Warlocks from WoW.

Also, in lieu of starting new threads, might I suggest people do a bit of searching for pre-existing ones? (shameless plug)
(Un)Official Arcanist/Summoner Feedback Thread

58 pages of discussion about what people do and don't like, as well as suggestions on changes that don't radically alter the way it plays.

[Dwill]

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It's no secret that they'll be looking at adjusting Garuda so that we can use other Egis but you're kidding yourself if you think that people won't just switch to the next strongest Egi after and stick to that.

More interaction is not always a good thing and since you wanted to compare to WoW, let's go ahead and do so. In Cataclysm, Warlocks had a really good interaction with the Felhound due to the pet's main attack doing more damage with the amount of DoTs on the target. Good idea on paper. Want to know how it went for the pet after it was deemed pretty powerful ? (Hint: Not so good)

The thing is that the pet already does a decent chunk of damage and altering the gameplay for the same amount of damage just so that the vocal minority feel better about themselves being summoner is not a thing that should be done if the majority of the people are fine with how it currently is.

[Spellbinder]

The thing is that the pet already does a decent chunk of damage and altering the gameplay for the same amount of damage just so that the vocal minority feel better about themselves being summoner is not a thing that should be done if the majority of the people are fine with how it currently is.

Well obviously the developers aren't fine with the way things are, or they wouldn't be taking a second look. Until we see what plans they have, there's no harm in discussing what they may change within reason.

In my personal opinion, if they find a problem with players gravitating to a single Egi, then answer lies in adjusting the gameplay to give players incentive to change periodically.

[Dwill]

Well obviously the developers aren't fine with the way things are, or they wouldn't be taking a second look. Until we see what plans they have, there's no harm in discussing what they may change within reason.

In my personal opinion, if they find a problem with players gravitating to a single Egi, then answer lies in adjusting the gameplay to give players incentive to change periodically.

They're personally not fine with Garuda being the go-to egi in all situations and Tri-Disaster being useless. I'd hardly call that taking a second look at the class. It's called balancing and it's being done in every MMORPG and on nearly all classes throughout the game's life.

[Spellbinder]

They're personally not fine with Garuda being the go-to egi in all situations and Tri-Disaster being useless. I'd hardly call that taking a second look at the class. It's called balancing and it's being done in every MMORPG and on nearly all classes throughout the game's life.

We'll just have to agree to disagree then. If they're looking at Summoner's pets and at least one of its five job skills, I call that taking a look at the class. If they weren't taking a look, there wouldn't be any changes coming down the pipes.

[Huntington]

Wheter it gets buried or not won't change anything. Summoner will not change as a class, it's just not happening. The sooner people realize that, the sooner this kind of threads can keep popping.

*Job
I'm not allowed to express my thoughts and have fun conversations then? No one is forcing anyone to notice these threads, if you see them and go into them to comment about how you've seen too many of them, I didn't make you click on it. It's easy to just not click on the titles.

[Dwill]

*Job
I'm not allowed to express my thoughts and have fun conversations then? No one is forcing anyone to notice these threads, if you see them and go into them to comment about how you've seen too many of them, I didn't make you click on it. It's easy to just not click on the titles.

It's even easier to not even create topics that have been debated to oblivion already, especially when there is one that is still going on.

[Huntington]

It's even easier to not even create topics that have been debated to oblivion already, especially when there is one that is still going on.

Then I as an individual would feel that I was wasting my time to type up something that could potentially not be seen and discussed at all, and I'm not going to take time to type up something for that to happen.