100% High Quality Two Star Rotation: No Food, NQ Materials, No RNG

[SeleneVenizelos]

You're kind of missing the point of this rotation.

The rotation itself is only seventeen steps and my macros take fourty three seconds to finish. Manual crafting with this rotation takes me as little as thirty seconds!

This rotation is exceptionally fast and allows for the very fast mass production of two star synths when you have your Artisan Tool. The first paragraph stated this point, that is its target audience. If I was suggesting people who don't have full melds or their tools use this rotation I would have said that.

As for the Craftsmanship, adding +5 Craftsmanship on your Off Hand Tool makes a two star synth finish in two Careful Synthesis 2: that is worth far more than any amount of CP and Control in my opinion. I don't need to use Master's Mend II, which saves me 160 CP for other abilities. How much CP are you gaining on your Off Hand? 3? Bravo. So you gain 3 CP, I gain 160.

+4 Control (IV)
+4 Control (IV)
+6 Craftmanship (IV)
+3 Control (III)
+3 CP (III)

All of my Tools have Control IV and Craftsmanship III on. Nothing more, nothing less. This makes it possible to finish this rotation in seventeen steps in a very quick period of time. As I said above, manually doing this rotation (as I have it memorised) takes me just under thirty seconds. If I didn't have this Craftmanship, my rotation would require durability restore and it would bloat and complicate it. My point is this rotation is much more efficient and faster than pretty much every other two star rotation you'll find. But again, it is only for people who have fully melded their crafters and have their Artisan Tools. Think of it as a perk to putting all that effort in to be able to produce food in under half a minute.

[scarebearz]

As for the Craftsmanship, adding +5 Craftsmanship on your Off Hand Tool makes a two star synth finish in two Careful Synthesis 2: that is worth far more than any amount of CP and Control in my opinion. I don't need to use Master's Mend II, which saves me 160 CP for other abilities. How much CP are you gaining on your Off Hand? 3? Bravo. So you gain 3 CP, I gain 160.

I wish people would read before replying.

Who has even mentioned Master's Mend 2?

An extra 3 CP is far more useful than a few extra over-melded Craftsmanship points, to any decent 3 star crafter. (Why would anyone who has all the tools not be making 3 star?)

As for the Craftsmanship, adding +5 Craftsmanship on your Off Hand Tool makes a two star synth finish in two Careful Synthesis 2

I may be missing something here, but I don't understand how you can have 397 Craftsmanship with only +5 added to offhand. Surely that leaves you with 396 with everything else capped?

You're kind of missing the point of this rotation.

Your missing mine, many people with these tools, wont have 397 Craftsmanship melded, as anything over 391 is a waste for 3 star crafting.


You even have Steady Hands 2 in the macro for Advanced Touch and Byregot's, so that's 3 CP wasted right there.


I also highly doubt it's truly 100% if done as instructed, what happens if there is a Poor condition for the Advanced Touch and first Basic Touch?

[scarebearz]

I've just tested this macro, by simulating a poor condition on the Advanced Touch and it's not 100%.

To test I removed the first Great Strides from the rotation, as this should (I believe) have the same results as if there were a Poor condition. As Poor condition halves quality and Great Strides doubles it. I.e. GS + AT + Poor = AT.

[EvianEverdeen]

Selene, do I really need all that materia melded onto my offhand tool to do three-star HQ crafting and use your macro? I read somewhere that all that was really needed on the offhand was a Control IV and two Craftsmanship III...

[scarebearz]

Selene, do I really need all that materia melded onto my offhand tool to do three-star HQ crafting and use your macro? I read somewhere that all that was really needed on the offhand was a Control IV and two Craftsmanship III...

Fully melded gear, the new ilvl70 head piece, the new ilvl70 primary tool, and all available cross-class actions should be what every crafter is striving for anyway.

xD

Seriously though, you don't need more than 391 craft and 375 control to be successful with 3 star.

You may think I don't know wth I'm talking about, but I do advise getting as much CP as possible for 3 star. I.e. 3 cp on offhand tools.

[SeleneVenizelos]

Who has even mentioned Master's Mend 2?

It's not part of my rotation but it's very relevant, as melding the Craftsmanship means I don't have to use it. Since Waste Not II is a very inefficient use of CP by comparison you would hope any 'decent' crafter was using MM2...

An extra 3 CP is far more useful than a few extra over-melded Craftsmanship points, to any decent 3 star crafter. (Why would anyone who has all the tools not be making 3 star?)

This is a very debatable point. How many three star synths do people actually make? I personally make far more two star synths (on Culinarian in particular) because they're a more reliable source of income. With my melds, I have no problem HQing pretty much every three star synth when I do make them. Just last night I went 40/40 HQ on Sachtertorte without your proposed melds. Being able to finish two star synths in two steps is more beneficial for me than the extra Control and it probably is for a lot of other people; again, especially on Culinarian. It is not affecting my three star HQ rate, because I am a 'decent' crafter, to use your phrase.

I may be missing something here, but I don't understand how you can have 397 Craftsmanship with only +5 added to offhand. Surely that leaves you with 396 with everything else capped?

This however I did look into as I was confused by this. It seems the first few crafters I melded I put a IV materia on and the latter half of my crafters I put a III on when I realised the IV was overkill. Small oversight on my part there. I must have written down the required stats for this on one of the earlier crafts. It is indeed 396 and I will change the OP to reflect that. The one point is not a big deal but price wise the materia level is.

Your missing mine, many people with these tools, wont have 397 Craftsmanship melded, as anything over 391 is a waste for 3 star crafting.

There is a difference between missing a point and disagreeing with. I got your point. I disagreed with it and gave a very good explanation in my reply and my original post as to why I chose to overmeld Craftsmanship instead.

You even have Steady Hands 2 in the macro for Advanced Touch and Byregot's, so that's 3 CP wasted right there.

Because I don't set Steady Hand to save the hassle of having to swap actions around, as my three star synths use other abilities that keep me at 10/10.

I also highly doubt it's truly 100% if done as instructed, what happens if there is a Poor condition for the Advanced Touch and first Basic Touch?

Then you're mistaken. The HQ rate on this rotation if you watch for the condition on Byregot's is 100%. Even with Poor on the Advanced Touch it reaches 100%. You should really give somebody's rotation a solid, thorough workthrough before you do your best to declare it's no good or false.

Selene, do I really need all that materia melded onto my offhand tool to do three-star HQ crafting and use your macro? I read somewhere that all that was really needed on the offhand was a Control IV and two Craftsmanship III...

The off hand on every one of my crafters is either Control IV and Craftsmanship III or with a Craftsmanship IV, the reasons for this explained above. My HQ rate on 3 stars is very high indeed without all the added Control and CP. The additional craftsmanship allows you to blast out two star synths in under thirty seconds if you memorise the rotation, about 45 if you let a macro do it for you.

For my personal crafting interests, a very high HQ rate on 3 star and the ability to mass produce tonnes of two stars out weighs the slightly more comfortable three star synthing.

I've just tested this macro, by simulating a poor condition on the Advanced Touch and it's not 100%.

To test I removed the first Great Strides from the rotation, as this should (I believe) have the same results as if there were a Poor condition. As Poor condition halves quality and Great Strides doubles it. I.e. GS + AT + Poor = AT.

I would suggest experimenting some more with this because if I get Poor on the Advanced Touch, with less Control than you, it is still reaching 100% quality 100% of the time.

[scarebearz]

It's not part of my rotation but it's very relevant, as melding the Craftsmanship means I don't have to use it. Since Waste Not II is a very inefficient use of CP by comparison you would hope any 'decent' crafter was using MM2...

I'm not aware of any crafter that uses MM2 for 2 star crafts, if you read my macro you would see it uses WN.

This is a very debatable point. How many three star synths do people actually make? I personally make far more two star synths (on Culinarian in particular).... without your proposed melds.

I craft more 3 star than 2 star, I don't cook as I don't consider the rewards (gil) to be worth my time, I buy raid food. That said, my Cul is 3 star ready, but no idea why I bothered xD The last point was not melds I propose at all, I'm happy using the minimum (3 star req's) craft/control and maxed CP. You and the previous person were talking about "max melds" and I said what you would need to meld to hit "397" craft while max-melding the other stat's.

The one point is not a big deal but price wise the materia level is.

I was basing a lot of my posts on the fact you said "397" was needed, 396 is a fair bit more affordable.

Then you're mistaken. The HQ rate on this rotation if you watch for the condition on Byregot's is 100%. Even with Poor on the Advanced Touch it reaches 100%. You should really give somebody's rotation a solid, thorough workthrough before you do your best to declare it's no good or false.

You are wrong imo, I have tested it (read above). I'm not saying you rotation is bad at all, it's decent, if you have the gear for it. But, it's not "100%", thought it's close enough for me personally.

I would suggest experimenting some more with this because if I get Poor on the Advanced Touch, with less Control than you, it is still reaching 100% quality 100% of the time.

It was a test, so I did it with the exact control you specify (375).

Often you'll still get 100% due to good on other Touch skills, but if those are normal, you'll be left with less than 100% if you get Poor on the AT.

[SeleneVenizelos]

I'm not aware of any crafter that uses MM2 for 2 star crafts, if you read my macro you would see it uses WN.

Yours doesn't, but there are a lot of rotations that use MM2 on these forums. My point is based on me saving 160 CP by melding that Craftsmanship on two star synths rather than gaining 3 by dropping the Craftsmanship, that's all. Some people use Waste Not II which is less CP efficient than MM2, hence why I used MM2 as the example.

I craft more 3 star than 2 star, I don't cook as I don't consider the rewards (gil) to be worth my time, I buy raid food. That said, my Cul is 3 star ready, but no idea why I bothered xD The last point was not melds I propose at all, I'm happy using the minimum (3 star req's) craft/control and maxed CP. You and the previous person were talking about "max melds" and I said what you would need to meld to hit "397" craft while max-melding the other stat's.

Well, as I said, for some this will prove to be more beneficial, for others it won't. It's all down to individual needs. It's good having alternatives that might suit your needs. But for the record I never once suggested max melding your off hand. In both of my original posts for both of my rotations it says max melds minus the off hand and then it provides the materia I have melded on those.

I was basing a lot of my posts on the fact you said "397" was needed, 396 is a fair bit more affordable.

Indeed, I apologise for that. That was quite a big oversight. When I changed to Goldsmith and saw 396 I immediately tested a two star synth and wondered what I was missing when I posted 397. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

You are wrong imo, I have tested it (read above). I'm not saying you rotation is bad at all, it's decent, if you have the gear for it. But, it's not "100%", thought it's close enough for me personally... Often you'll still get 100% due to good on other Touch skills, but if those are normal, you'll be left with less than 100% if you get Poor on the AT.

I have had dozens of synths that have had Poor on that Advanced Touch and Normal on every other step that have all reached 100% quality. I'm not really sure what to say: for me it's 100%, and for many people I had shared this rotation with prior to posting it. What stumps me even more is I have less Control than you.

[scarebearz]

I have just tested something else...

The whole 397 is crazy high point is moot, as for this rotation and to finish a 2 star with 2x CS2 under Ing 2, it can be done with exactly 392 Craftsmanship.

As such, there is no reason at all to meld any more than a grade 1 craftsmanship materia to your offhand, if it's capped on everything else.

I still disagree on it being 100% (try testing it how I did, if you agree that poor = 50% quality and GS = 200% quality, hence cancelling each other out), but do agree it's a high change to HQ.

At 392 Craft, 375 Control and 344 CP it is something most 3 star crafts could use.

But for the record I never once suggested max melding your off hand.

I know, that was a comment towards the other poster.

[SeleneVenizelos]

The whole 397 is crazy high point is moot, as for this rotation and to finish a 2 star with 2x CS2 under Ing 2, it can be done with exactly 392 Craftsmanship.

I just tested the same thing and mine blew up. 1 Progress short.

Ah, whoops. I didn't add any. I need more coffee before I work on theorycrafting! Yeah, you are right. It shows that rather than settle with a Craftsmanship III (they only cost 4k on my server) I should've tested. Would be even more appealing for people if it worked with just the Tier I.