A question about healing amount received and determination....

[Zaleralph]

Does the amount of healing spell we cast scale with target's determination?
This has been quite a discussion among members in my FC as some of em are not willing to believe that DET doesn't affect.

Any idea or any proof? Have any FF crews said anything regard to this question?

Thank you

[QuCont]

Simple to prove. Have them take off their gear.

[NintenPyjak64]

Determination only works for your own healing spells. The target's Determination doesn't matter

[Zaleralph]

Yeah, I know that DET doesn't matter. But some stubborn dud in my FC doesn't seem to admit it.

[NintenPyjak64]

Then have him throw about 5 cure 1s at you, then change to a DoH/L and have him throw 5 more cures at you. That should give him the answer he's not seeing

[Vid]

Then have him throw about 5 cure 1s at you, then change to a DoH/L and have him throw 5 more cures at you. That should give him the answer he's not seeing

^ This.

The tool-tip in game actually states, "Affects the amount of damage dealt by both physical and magic attacks, as well as the amount of HP restored by healing spells. Auto-attack potency is not affected."

Does not say "Received" it does in fact say "Dealt" and "Restored".

So if they assume that Determination effects how much you are healed for, by that token they should also believe that Determination would effect how much more damage they take. Both of which are completely wrong.

To put it in more simple terms for your friend to understand, just explain that Determination is a Buff to Damage and Healing and in no way effects how much more damage you take, or healing you receive.

[Gamma621]

Determination only increases the HP restored when you cast a healing spell on YOURSELF. Your own Determination will not increase healing done to other players, and neither will the target's Determination. So it's basically useless for healers.

The in game tool-tip in extremely unclear in explaining this. It was only after looking for information online, and testing it in-game before I found out what Determination actually does for healing spells, and stopped wasting my time with healer gear that has it.

[Azell]

Determination only increases the HP restored when you cast a healing spell on YOURSELF. Your own Determination will not increase healing done to other players, and neither will the target's Determination. So it's basically useless for healers.

The in game tool-tip in extremely unclear in explaining this. It was only after looking for information online, and testing it in-game before I found out what Determination actually does for healing spells, and stopped wasting my time with healer gear that has it.

You sir, went full retard, never go full retard.

[Alistaire]

Determination only increases the HP restored when you cast a healing spell on YOURSELF...

Oh my...so so wrong.

I'll admit you can stretch the english wording a bit, someone saying "this affects HP restored" could mean your determination when receiving cures, because that would be determination affecting HP restored...and this was sort of the case in ffxi just with different stats, but it's easily tested that that's not how it works.

A simpler way to word it is determination boosts your prime stat. It's about 6-8 determination = 1 point of your prime stat, I forget which was the more commonly accepted version lately.

So for healers, it's like a small MND boost (or INT when dps'ing), tanks/melee it's a boost to STR, etc.

[Gamma621]

I literally just tested this before posting. A difference of 40-50 Determination made no change as I healed a person afk in Gridania. Yet it added an extra 75-100 every Cure when I cast it on myself. Now unless this is exclusive to party members, Determination does not affect healing of others.

Try it yourself.

Edit: Ok, so just stick my foot right in my mouth. I went back and tested again...and now I noticed a difference on me, and a random player. Let me give a more detailed description of what I found.

Here's the equipment that I'm swapping to make sure that my Mind stat is not changing, but my Determination stat is.

Thyrus Zenith------Omnirod: A difference of 26 Determination.
Allagan Circlet of Healing-----Cleric's Circlet: A difference of 15 Determination
Allagan Choker of Healing-----Hero's Necklace of Healing: A difference of 11 Determination
Allagan Earrings of Healing-----Hero's Earring of Healing: A difference of 8 Determination

This makes a total difference of 60 Determination. I don't have any other equipment on hand that has a Determination variant, and the same mind value, so this was the best I could do.

Without equipment at a total Determination 238 and total Mind 495:
Out of 100 Cure IIs on myself (excluding criticals.)
Lowest heal was 1597
Highest heal was 1696

Out of 11 Cure IIs on an afk player (excluding criticals.)
Lowest heal was 1598
Highest heal was 1696

With equipment at a total Determination 298 and total Mind 495:
Out of 100 Cure IIs on myself (excluding criticals.)
Lowest heal was 1644
Highest heal was 1740

Out of 11 Cure IIs on an afk player (excluding criticals.)
Lowest heal was 1649
Highest heal was 1741


Now the thing that caused all the confusion for me at first, was that these ranges overlap by quite a bit. So when I tested before, I did not do a big enough sample to see the true results. I just happened to get unlucky heals on the other player, and lucky heals on myself. This led me to an incorrect conclusion, and I apologize for giving inaccurate information.

However, I still question the value placed on Determination. Adding only 44 HP to the heal with the highest potency at the cost of +20 Critical Hit Rate, and over 300 MP worth of Piety with my current gear. I honestly don't think it's worth it.