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[Alukah]

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Hey now, it's not like I was forcing the marauder to follow my advice, I continued healing him until the moment he left.

Why the level of the content matters for giving someone an advice? Or where is the ignorant part of giving advice to someone that may not know how a skill works? Also -again- he was the one who mentioned T9 when the archer was talking about blood for blood.

I don't understand why some people advices like a personal insult.

I am assuming that the Marauder is relatively geared (i90), it shouldn't be a problem if he's taking 25% more damage as the mobs isn't that painful to him in the first place. WAR/MRD's ability to self-heal is pretty high. I don't see any issue why using Blood for Blood as a MRD is "wrong". I wouldn't say that a MRD/WAR's job is to DPS and not tank, but if the situation allows the MRD to dps and tank at the same, why not?

It was a lvl 29 marauder, though not a newbie, only two classes left to get to 50.

I always check people's search info when a dungeon starts to know if i should or not say special boss mechanics (like moving aiatar for new tanks).

[RaquelleAvarosa]

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I see. I'm still sticking to what I said "if the situation allows the MRD to dps and tank at the same, why not?"

[Purrfectstorm]

I don't understand why some people advices like a personal insult.

Because tone matters.

Another thing to keep in mind is that in a competitive environment people tend to "act more certain than they feel". This quote is from the Thomas-Kilmann Conflict Mode Instrument. It's good reading, especially if you really DON'T understand why someone might act in a defensive manner when advice is given.

One last point about advice: the tank was a random player, to them, the other party members are random players also. So why should the tank assume any of the other party members' advice is WORTH taking?

On top of that, I happen to think that Blood For Blood from a MRD in a low level dungeon isn't that bad. When healers can DPS their way through it and tanks don't even need to use mitigation, Blood For Blood may be just fine.

Here's my piece of advice, don't let yourself get so worked up about these things and let people play the way they want. Even well-meant advice often comes across as condescending in a game environment. Did the tank ask for any of your advice - "Why am I taking so much damage?" No.

[scarebearz]

Was the tank called Huntington?

[Alistaire]

I have no problems with people being creative, personally. Sometimes an idea is so crazy that it's pure genius. Where I have an issue with it is similar to what the OP experienced, where an idea really wasn't serving any purpose and the tank wouldn't even consider the possibility that they were wrong in any way, even with 2 other people trying to explain it to them. I won't agree with everything the archer said though because they certainly could have been more tactful, but the tank had a thick head on their shoulders and sometimes...there's just no getting through to some people.

Sure, sometimes. In ffxi people thought at first pld/nin was a terrible idea for a tank, and then it became all you tanked with for the longest time. But this guy is 1. seriously overestimating how much foresight does and 2. painfully wrong about what a tank does when tanking in coil. He's right that some people go mrd as ot, but that's not a tanking discussion. It hurt my head to read his logic.

Same for most of the posts here though.

[Eidolon]

This tank, is an idiot - period.

"Foresight negates the damage from Blood For blood"

Uh, no it doesn't? Foresight is a 20% increase to defense. Blood for blood is a 20% increase to damage taken. The fact that he thinks that a 20% increase to defense negates a 20% increase to damage taken shows how much of an idiot he already is. The fact that he didn't take advice -politely given- and instead acted like a self-righteous tank means he's shaming all of us tanks that do our jobs to the best of our ability.

[Alukah]

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I'm a bit perplexed with this...

" One last point about advice: the tank was a random player, to them, the other party members are random players also. So why should the tank assume any of the other party members' advice is WORTH taking? "

Why WOULDN'T it be worth taking? Reject any piece of advice just because it comes from someone not in your circle of friends? I mean you're not even stopping to analyze if it's good or bad feedback, instead just rejecting it as soon as it comes.

And I'm surprised it took 4 pages for someone to say a sort of "don't tell me how to play", I'm not bossing anyone or ordering them to do something, really that attitude is exactly what is wrong with this game.

[KinSlayer009]

I wish My War Could use BFB >.>
Would have made this Inner beast even more epic

[Odett]

There was a lot of rudeness on both sides, albeit much more coming from the MRD, but let's remember that MRD tanks tend to be spiky as hell, to the point where tanking more than two mobs, your thoughts as a healer are "oh wow, look at their HP spike, better get off Cleric Stance and toss them a heal or two..ok, HP is fine again, back to cleric stan-OH LOOK THEY'RE ABOUT TO DIE AGAIN!", so the activation of BfB sounds like a total healer nightmare. The extra damage they were doing did not warrant the extra damage they took, especially when the healer can't DPS because the tank's HP is spiking all over the place.

[Alistaire]

Sure there's rudeness on both parts; if I were the healer and politely asked him to stop doing something and he responded like that I'd be rude right back.

And yeah I've had tanks I'd tell that to around that level, generally the ones badly geared.