International Server?

[Raistlin]

I'm not trying to be dismissive here, but saying <I'm Sorry> <I don't speak any Japanese> ok? Is in fact putting all of the work on them. If you make an attempt to show a willingness to do some translation on your end, to make up for the areas the auto-translator is still lacking, then you will find more often than not they will do the same. It is very hard to communicate solely through the auto translate function, the auto translate function is still very useful, but you still need to make a concerted effort outside of it to communicate properly.

If you want to be all angry about it that is your problem man. If you actually want to play with Japanese players all it takes is a bit of effort and they will reciprocate in kind. You should be glad we have an auto-translator, and copy+paste function at all most games lack even that. I was merely trying to show that it is not an unwillingness to playing with foreigners stopping most Japanese players from grouping with you, merely a language barrier that with work you can both overcome. In this nothing has changed from XI, and I personally think it has improved a great deal both in terms of my ability to communicate with them and their acceptance of non-Japanese players.

We could all learn a little something from Enemy Mine, just the language part not the alien species/impregnation/galactic war part.

ok i HAVE to effort like u says, why? why cant they effort a little first? why i have to kneel before and they to decide if they want to talk with me? are u joking? we are talking about i have to go external websites (not talking people when they launch PS3) to translate mentally from my language to english and then from english to japanese... as i said you are wrong and thanks to people like you that allow them to talk all the time in japanese we have to follow that.

in the end, u asked me to do what they dont want to do.. sure. At least i tried using autotranslate, and was implemented for that. They cant copy/paste my lines and translate them like i have to do?

As i said i am not against japanese, i am against xenophobic.

[Zenaku]

TBH, I don't want to play with JP either. Prime example. Try telling a JP to stop attacking the yellow mob in behest.

oh god don';t get me starting on that one. I play on some JP party and did some leve there slow and go afk right when they start leve or a fight. I don't know if the new players of jp are bad and noobs or it just because in ffxi they had over 1year of a head start with it unlike ffxiv.

but i have meet some great jp and even become friends with them. I help a JP girl get some NM gear and help her level up.

How i get in party for JP is "I understand a little japanease" understood? and then use google translate to try and understand what there saying and it goes pretty good just a little pain in the ass to translate going to google and back and translate what i want to say. As long as you put right ENG you the google translate works pretty dam good

[Murugan]

ok i HAVE to effort like u says, why? why cant they effort a little first? why i have to kneel before and they to decide if they want to talk with me? are u joking? we are talking about i have to go external websites (not talking people when they launch PS3) to translate mentally from my language to english and then from english to japanese... as i said you are wrong and thanks to people like you that allow them to talk all the time in japanese we have to follow that.

in the end, u asked me to do what they dont want to do.. sure. At least i tried using autotranslate, and was implemented for that. They cant copy/paste my lines and translate them like i have to do?

As i said i am not against japanese, i am against xenophobic.

No you are just being xenophobic. Pretty clear when you say "you are wrong and thanks to people like you that allow them to talk all the time in japanese we have to follow that." Why should they have to take the first step? Well they do many times, but in this case you are talking about wanting them in your group or to join their group in either case you are the one who needs to make the initial effort or you are the one who is going to be deprived here.

Excuse me for raining on your pity party, butI don't speak fluent Japanese and I have been turned away by very exclusive JP players in the past it was a constant struggle in my XI career made worse by the fact that living in Hawaii I play when there are much fewer English speaking players online to group with. I'll admit xenophobia is a serious problem in Japan (of course there are very valid reasons for its existence but I don't care to get into a history lesson here...). However in this game there is not this barrier you are seeing between the communities.

If you put some effort in, more often than not they will do the same. If you don't and expect them to be the ones to put the work in, more often than not they will do the same then too. "I let them speak in Japanese" that right there is your problem, I don't see it that way at all. I admit there is a language barrier I do what I can to breach it, and in response they do the same to assist me and talk both in English/be patient with my Japanese. If you don't want to go through this effort fine just stick with "your own kind", but don't go calling for regionally separated servers simply because you can't deal with it without being all hostile towards others.

[Raistlin]

No you are just being xenophobic. Pretty clear when you say "you are wrong and thanks to people like you that allow them to talk all the time in japanese we have to follow that." Why should they have to take the first step? Well they do many times, but in this case you are talking about wanting them in your group or to join their group in either case you are the one who needs to make the initial effort.

Excuse me for raining on your pity party, I don't speak fluent Japanese and I have been turned away by very exclusive JP players in the past. Xenophobia is a serious problem in Japan (of course there are very valid reasons for its existence but I don't care to get into a history lesson here...). However in this game there is not this barrier you are seeing between the communities.

If you make some effort, more often than not they will do the same. If you don't and expect them to be the ones to put the work in, more often than not they will do the same then too. "I let them speak in Japanese" that right there is your problem, I don't see it that way at all. I admit there is a language barrier I do what I can to breach it, and in response they do the same to assist me and talk both in English/be patient with my Japanese. If you don't want to go through this effort fine just stick with "your own kind" but don't go calling for regional servers simply because you can't deal with it without being all hostile towards others.

so i am xenophobic now? lol i mea you people make them LAZY. Why have they to take first step? coz is an international server and international language is english? could be?

Guy seriously, i am not new with this, i played FFXI for 6 years and was something similar but lately, all oriental people (koreans too) seems every time more and more xenophobic, and i cant take it. U said to do what i can do... Autotranslate if what i can do and really i do it to be polite. I learned english (not too good but enough) to can talk with people around the world, and now, a group of people feels like that is not enough, that i have to translate it on a website and paste my thoughts in their language (i dont care if is japanese, korean, german or mongolian) becouse lots of people like to see Japanese Kanjis and like to translate your english to their japanese. And every time u do it, they become more and more lazy or xenophobic. They plan me to translate all to their native language, i can translate a Nice to meet you just to end party and be polite, but to be kicked coz i dont translate all their chatting, or coz they decide not to talk english (they learn in school) seriously, i am dissapointed someone still defend them being so close to all.

[SunTzuuu]

Regionally seperated servers wouldnt be a bad idea.At first i was kinda confused when choosing servers,every server i joined in i saw alot of people talking in japanese.As much as i like japanese people,i want to play with english speaking people,and dont want the trouble of dealing with a translator that doesnt even translate what i want to say properly.Plus i play in fullscreen mode,i just cannt enjoy a game in windowed mode.And since this game crashes on alt tab,that makes it impossible for me to try and translate what their saying anyway.The servers would probably be more populated aswell since as of now there is no real EU , NA or Asian server.I think if they made the servers like this it would be awesome.

Server 1: NA
Server 2: EU
Server 3: Asia
Server 4: International

[Zenaku]

so i am xenophobic now? lol i mea you people make them LAZY. Why have they to take first step? coz is an international server and international language is english? could be?

Guy seriously, i am not new with this, i played FFXI for 6 years and was something similar but lately, all oriental people (koreans too) seems every time more and more xenophobic, and i cant take it. U said to do what i can do... Autotranslate if what i can do and really i do it to be polite. I learned english (not too good but enough) to can talk with people around the world, and now, a group of people feels like that is not enough, that i have to translate it on a website and paste my thoughts in their language (i dont care if is japanese, korean, german or mongolian) becouse lots of people like to see Japanese Kanjis and like to translate your english to their japanese. And every time u do it, they become more and more lazy or xenophobic. They plan me to translate all to their native language, i can translate a Nice to meet you just to end party and be polite, but to be kicked coz i dont translate all their chatting, or coz they decide not to talk english (they learn in school) seriously, i am dissapointed someone still defend them being so close to all.

i don't have to translate there full chatting but when i see W i try and put my w there so they think i know what there talking about loil and most of the time i translte most of it and see if there talking to me and i say understood it pretty easy but i do agree with you they should learn eng but then again they think this game is for them only at least that how most jp feel.

i think they should have JP only worlds seeing how there the only one that really don';t want to party outside there own language even the few that do it still not enough in my books.

i hope dev team read this and give talk to yoshi-p about it i know ffxiv is about international servers and making the idea that there players 24.7 but does not matter when i play most of the time at 12-6am which is JP prime time it's not like they all would invite me to a dungeon or party lol so it pointless having them there.

[Seif]

A better auto-translate system would be nice. Usually the things needed in pt communication aren't that complex messages.

I like both of the systems Phantasy Star Online invented. The ready to use sentence pieces and the simple icons like coffee mug to signal to everyone about a break.

I've always found XI and XIV way of translating weird and slightly scary like you're talking like a RMT bot.

I was once running through Valkrum Dunes when the air was filled with the plea:

<MEAT HOLE><CAN I HAVE IT?>


Needless to say I still sometimes cry in the shower because of that.

[Murugan]

so i am xenophobic now? lol i mea you people make them LAZY. Why have they to take first step? coz is an international server and international language is english? could be?

Guy seriously, i am not new with this, i played FFXI for 6 years and was something similar but lately, all oriental people (koreans too) seems every time more and more xenophobic, and i cant take it. U said to do what i can do... Autotranslate if what i can do and really i do it to be polite. I learned english (not too good but enough) to can talk with people around the world, and now, a group of people feels like that is not enough, that i have to translate it on a website and paste my thoughts in their language (i dont care if is japanese, korean, german or mongolian) becouse lots of people like to see Japanese Kanjis and like to translate your english to their japanese. And every time u do it, they become more and more lazy or xenophobic. They plan me to translate all to their native language, i can translate a Nice to meet you just to end party and be polite, but to be kicked coz i dont translate all their chatting, or coz they decide not to talk english (they learn in school) seriously, i am dissapointed someone still defend them being so close to all.

Now with the sweeping generalizations of entire peoples that is at the root of racism. Look I don't know what your tongue is, but if it shares an alphabet with English and has a germanic or latin base it is not quite the same thing as going from Japanese to English. Yes they learn some English in school, but my god man do you honestly think it is a xenophobic conspiracy taking place just because they don't speak fluent English at every second?

This isn't meant as an insult to Japanese people but take a stroll down a street in Tokyo and see all the crudely translated English slogans people carry on T-shirts (of course it is the same with American/Europeans and their Japanese/Chinese script tattoos that are often laughably incorrectly used). They learn it in school but many struggle with it, especially because they don't speak it everyday and as part of their daily business in most cases. Not near to the extent that English is used in Western Europe.

I don't "like to see Japanese Kanjis", but when I went to Palestine/Jordan/Egypt I found the same thing that an expectation of a universal English is not going to get you far. Same with Italy, it was nothing like the rest of Europe (at least in Milan where I worked for a short time) the people there "refused to speak English" even though they too learned it in school. Not necessarily because they were rude but because they don't know well it enough/practice enough to be comfortable in it.
Learning another language is very difficult, just like it is obviously difficult for them to learn English, but to play a game (maybe not complex instances like Darkhold at least before strategies are well known, but the majority of the time) you can make by with a little effort. That was my point.

[SuzakuCMX]

Japanese is easier to learn than English, like, way easier. The hard part is reading/writing but they'll understand fine if you just use Hiragana/Katakana instead of Kanji or use Romaji (English is taught in schools).

You are xenophobic. You joined a JP party and said "I don't speak Japanese" as if you were expecting them to communicate solely in English for your benefit. And now you're wanting segregated servers just because you're unwilling to try and communicate without using English. Auto-translate feature works well enough for parties...Behests on my server are usually completed 100% with auto-translate.

It also helps if you get on at UK/NA times and not Eastern EU/Asia times.

[Seif]

Btw how do you write using hiragana in this game do you use some 3rd pt software to do it?

What Raj said is true learning another language is not easy as you can probably tell from my numerous grammar errors =D

I probably could only write simple phrases like "that guy", "yes/no" and "run" in Japanese but it would be cool if there was some way to write using Hiragana that I know. Besides it would be good practice in learning new words. Ofcourse nothing beats school teaching (4 days of Japanese/week ugh), but being able to use what you know would be a good motivation to my studies.

So can you only write in Japanese with JP copy of XIV and a Japanese keyboard or is there a western workaround out there?