Let's make this viral- Improving our community

[Nakiamiie]

Even so, it's a fight worth fighting.

Definitely, but what Jynx says is the truth.

Nevertheless, I've spent my best moments in the game learning from Jynx himself, from our FC master too and everyone else.
Even now, I'm doing my best to uphold this spirit in what's left of our FC.

When the players get to a point where all they have to do is rinse and repeat the same content over and over again, they either become irascible or just quit.

Unfortunately, this game is deep in the path of rinse & repeat content, grind and other meaningless tasks to keep its playerbase "busy".

We need to change our gameplay when it happens and seek fun through interaction with other players. That's the least we can do. As for the best, we need to be vocal and tell the devs what we want and what we don't want.

[Alexia89]

I was in that Facebook group with the guy who got the TV. Was actually legitimately heartwarming seeing his posts of him picking up the TV, setting it up etc. Genuinely nice guy.

One thing our static has taken to doing this past week ( because we ALWAYS have someone who is late >.> ) was to queue for random "lower-tier" content while we wait for the "late one", such as Cape Westwind or Ifrit HM. One lucky DPS (preferably someone newish, though we came across a couple clearly just using trials roulette) gets to smash the fights, and have 7 commendations offloaded on to them xD

(Not entirely a good deed, I have to admit. Ifrit HM we decided since it was so old, we would try to make it challenging by all refusing to move. At all. No dodging charges, no dodging eruptions/plumes. This was funny until a large number of us were punted right next to each other. Needless to say, eruptions wrecked us xD
We still made it through, albeit with 1 Tank, Healer and DPS standing.... but the PUG got 7 commendations so i'm sure that makes up for what we put them through, right? ....Right?)

[ruskie]

I'll drop this here from a FC mate I consider a friend...
http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...6/blog/998851/

Now on to the topic at heart... I must say I didn't have many bad experiences so far(and I've been in here since beta 3 - that was last year around this time wasn't it?). But I have done my best to foster good relation with everyone I meet. I've helped healing random people at fates, DPS help and so on in openworld. And in instances instead of complaining about others I tried to help them if they wanted to listen - not everyone always does but enough do to make this worth it.


I always start any instance with a hello/hi/lo/whatever greeting one wants to use. If there are people that start chatting then great else will just go through it silently with a gg/gj and a bb at the end. It's sad but not everyone wishes to socialize - that's why I try to bring a friend if I'm doing something like that so that we can atleast have some banter and then maybe draw in the other two people into socializing.

But yes there are times when the community is getting toxic - reading the PF most days is rather depressing to the point I just don't open it up anymore(it's generally filled with stuff like wipe = kick, death = kick, lag = kick, exp only - show achievment etc... crap). Even people that join a run that clearly states "training" will go apeshit if a wipe happens on the simplest mechanic. Don't join such PFs then if you don't have the patience to wipe for an hour - because let's face it when at the start someone explains half the fight saying that's our goal for today - you shouldn't be expecting a clear anytime soon.

We all will complain about someone at one point or another... but do so somewhere where they can't hear you. Put it in FC chat or LS or start your own empty LS and release your frustration there. But help the people you are with at getting better and achieve their goal without coming out like an arse.

[MeiUshu]

in a perfect world we would all be respectful of others, in a perfect world we would all acknowledge that we do not all come from same background, same ethnic and same part of the world and with the same experience in life and be of the same age...in a perfect world we would all be happy and the like.

I know I am the worst player that ever walked this planet, thus nothing that others can say will affect me much, nor does it affect me that people dont know or cant or fail, it doesnt affect me to have to do 100x the same dungeon over and over again because we wipped so many times. At the end, it boils down to what YOU as individual can do, not much what the others can do or want to do, because here is more a matter of want rather then can. People hide behind their computer and in total inpunity and dont have to have consequences for their words or actions, therefore they can say and do whatever they want nobody is going to do anything, that is the sad reality.

In the end though, what does it matter ? as long as you can do what you have to do enjoy the game for yourself and not because of the others, it is unimporant and people acting like arse are unimportant, they just are like the breeze they are there a moment and pass to move away the next..impact on your life *zero* unless you let them and give them the power to affect you....

your link, Ruskie, is exactly it, the one that posted gave full power to that guy to put him down and that is on his shoulders, words mean nothing especially from perfect strangers, and it boils down to.. how much power you give others THAT part is in your hands, once you understand this...the rest is easy and everything logical. Those that find it fun to insult, deam harrass others are just weak people very weak that they only have one mean to show how powerful they are is to bully others in a virtual game when they would just be chickens in other circumstances, such is life, just remember do not give any power to anyone else, your life and enjoyment is only yours and doesnt depend on anybody that you havent chosent to be with.

As for helping, I help if I can those that ask for it....or I have identified as really being in need of help...otherwise...it would spoil their game in my opinion and that is not something I want to be responsible for. I personally feel at unease when someone wants to give me material I dont believe in gifts just out of pure goodness and in the back of my mind I wonder what the guy wants from me .....one day that gift out of pure generosity will be thrown back at you and you will be forced, if you have some honour, to repay it...and you may not like it.
Mei

[Mahri]

My being nice does not stop trolls, or trollish behavior. My or your behavior does nothing to control or influence people that would behave in such a manner. You can't change them, the battle can't be won.

There is no "win" state in the objective. To think of it in those terms is failing to grasp social dynamics entirely.

What is sought here is something that will always, always require continued effort, and everyone owes that effort to everyone else.

[Alipoprocks]

I am sorry for losing my patience yesterday in Cutters Cry HM. I gave a BLM a bad time after wiping a few times. He said my advice was good but the delivery was bad. For my bad delivery, I am sorry.

He ended up leaving after we wiped to final boss. I did apologize to him, though before then.

I promise to be more kind in the future. Thanks for this post OP.

[Noahlimits]

I agree with a lot of her post, except for passing on gear because we want dem seals. If we're a job that can need them, we put in just as much work as the next guy. Need all the way~.

[Jacost]

There are more efficient ways to get seals than dungeon gear. Just do GC quests in Mor Dhona for hour and you'll nearly hit the cap. Some people might actually need the gear.

[Sigurd_Volsung]

I agree with a lot of her post, except for passing on gear because we want dem seals. If we're a job that can need them, we put in just as much work as the next guy. Need all the way~.

This is a common sentiment. While it is your right, it does nothing to foster a sense of friendly community. It actually does the opposite. I myself, wouldn't need on things in the past if they weren't an actual upgrade. Even if I wanted them for other reasons. But then I realized my imaginary rules of loot etiquette were being followed by no one but myself. I got a little bitter missing out on things I wanted constantly (key word: wanted) and so I decided it was time to give others a taste of their own medicine. Rolling on everything, even if only to deny other people gear they might have needed because I was frustrated at being denied myself. (but hey, dem seals doe, right?) And by people who by all appearances, didn't really *need* the gear as an upgrade. (Take this with a grain of salt. I know it was their right, and they could have had other reasons to need on it).

The point I'm trying to make is "Need> greeders" inspired this behavior in me. It didn't exist before. After being exposed to it, I became that which I despised. And I've spread it even further.

It's this very behavior I want to reverse.

[Ganvire]

My being nice does not stop trolls, or trollish behavior. My or your behavior does nothing to control or influence people that would behave in such a manner. You can't change them, the battle can't be won. When mmo users decline back to the core users that used to play before the population of mmo's surged, then you will see the problem getting solved, not till then.