Am I Black Maging right (End Game)?

[Citizen_Thom]

I got advice while running Stone Vigil that was helpful, that I should Fire 3, Fire, Fire, Fire... it's proven to be good advice. Now that I'm almost at 50, I want to make sure I'm rotating right for end game.

I always start Thunder 3 and then Sleep in dungeons for groups of three or more enemies.

After that, it's Fire 3 then four Fires or so. If Firestarter kicks in with >1000MP, I Fire 3, if it kicks in at <1000MP I Blizzard 3 and Fire 3 as soon as MP tops off. If there's no Firestarter at 400 MP, I Blizzard 3, Thunder 3, and then start with Fire 3/ 4x Fire again.

I work in that Slow/Heavy during the Umbral Ice phase occasionally, and in boss fights I'll toss out Virus and Eye for Eye during the Umbral Ice phase.

Anything I'll need to tweak on that for end game?

[Zamii]

in end game, sleep becomes useless, and e4e and virus should be used at particular times, not just when its up, damage skill wise though you have the general idea

[Cynfael]

I agree with Sleep being of dubious usefulness. It's a fun trick for early game, but once everyone brings AoE damage to the table, Sleep becomes a complete waste of time in most situations.

Generally speaking, if you see 3 or more enemies, that's your cue to straight-up AoE them down, because that's what BLM really excels at.

[Synestr]

I agree with Sleep being of dubious usefulness. It's a fun trick for early game, but once everyone brings AoE damage to the table, Sleep becomes a complete waste of time in most situations.

Generally speaking, if you see 3 or more enemies, that's your cue to straight-up AoE them down, because that's what BLM really excels at.

Yes 3 or more = AOE. Fire III > Fire II x2 or x3 > Flare > convert > Flare > Transpose > Swiftcast > wait two secs > Flare > (Should have gotten a tick from transpose) Flare again > Transpose (Should be up) Flare again if needed or go into umbral ice.

Something like that ^.^

Syn

[Synestr]

I got advice while running Stone Vigil that was helpful, that I should Fire 3, Fire, Fire, Fire... it's proven to be good advice. Now that I'm almost at 50, I want to make sure I'm rotating right for end game.

I always start Thunder 3 and then Sleep in dungeons for groups of three or more enemies.

After that, it's Fire 3 then four Fires or so. If Firestarter kicks in with >1000MP, I Fire 3, if it kicks in at <1000MP I Blizzard 3 and Fire 3 as soon as MP tops off. If there's no Firestarter at 400 MP, I Blizzard 3, Thunder 3, and then start with Fire 3/ 4x Fire again.

I work in that Slow/Heavy during the Umbral Ice phase occasionally, and in boss fights I'll toss out Virus and Eye for Eye during the Umbral Ice phase.

Anything I'll need to tweak on that for end game?

You are definitely on the right path and the advice you got is correct. There are a lot of threads out there on rotations and what not. With those are different views on what is best and what is not. We are a RNG cannon. Things pop and we react to them in terms of procs. The basics though should basically be:

Thunder II > Fire III > Firex4 (or x5 depending on your mana pool) {{utilize any procs of firestarter during fire spam // if thundercloud procs use Thunder III, however only after you cast a fire, if firestarter procs use it first then your thunder proc}} > (you could Flare here ((mp might be about 400~)) then convert to fire or bliz III // or transpose to fire or bliz III or just) Blizz III (I have it macro'd with scathe) > Thunder II > repeat

Now some will say use Blizz III to start the rotation, this is sound advice and works well, some don't and it still works well. Some argue about the Thunder II vs III cast to start. Cast time on III is longer, DOT is slightly lower on II. It's personal preference. Tool around with it and see which you like best.

Some BLM's dont even use Bliz III, when they hit their last fire they will transpose, scathe, thunder II then head right back to Fire III > Fire spam. I have tried it and for some things it works ok, but I'm not sold on it yet.

I am not an uber BLM but I handle my business. I hope it helps.

Syn

[evilsohn]

When running out of Mana You could use Blizzard 3 followed by Lightning 2 and Fire 3.
When Fire 3 finishes casting You should be back to full Mana.

When it comes to AOE You could do
Fire3 -> Flare -> Convert (if not at cooldown -> Flare) -> Mega-Ether (if available and not at cooldown -> Flare) -> Transposition -> Repeat, starting with Fire 3
This way You get the most Astral Fire 3 Flares per Minute
Careful with drawing too much attention when runnig around with lower equipped tanks though

[Sanguisio]

Do not flare while in UI!

Mobs 3+ Fire 3, RS+QS Flare, Convert Swift Flare, Transpose as soon as possible you should get a tick fire 2 to space the time out and keep flare up transpose repeat.

otherwise Blizzard 3 Thunder 2, then Fire 3 ( reason being so you can start fire rotation with almost full mana and thunder ticking)

Sleep is useful for speed runs

[NyneAlexander]

Do not flare while in UI!

I used to preach this as well, but I was wrong.

Infinite flare rotation: Fire III, Flare, transpose, get mana tick, wait 2 seconds, start casting flare from umbral ice, receive 3rd mana tic as you are transitioning into Astral Fire, cast normal flare, transpose, get mana tick, wait 2... cold flare... etc etc etc.

If you do not have convert, mana pot available, this is the next best AoE rotation.

And no, sleep is not useful in speed runs. Flare is useful in speed runs.

[Ransu]

I used to preach this as well, but I was wrong.

Infinite flare rotation: Fire III, Flare, transpose, get mana tick, wait 2 seconds, start casting flare from umbral ice, receive 3rd mana tic as you are transitioning into Astral Fire, cast normal flare, transpose, get mana tick, wait 2... cold flare... etc etc etc.

If you do not have convert, mana pot available, this is the next best AoE rotation.

And no, sleep is not useful in speed runs. Flare is useful in speed runs.

Wouldn't that cut your damage though? I mean at that point you'd be better off doing fire 2.