The Novus Grind

[Ami_Kaede]

I have to ask, what exactly is your idea of an "MMORPG"? This is a core part of the genre, even going as far to say a core part of traditional RPGs in general. RPGs, even from the D&D board games era, all relied on what we now call RNG. It's a part of the genre itself that will never go away, similar to how being in first-person for an FPS will never go away. If you want guarantees (and to avoid the grind aspect entirely), RPGs are generally not your go-to genre... just saying.
The insta-kill mechanics are a bit underhanded, but that's sort of the gamble you take when doing things solo without prior knowledge. Again, this is an MMORPG, and no one should overlook the fact that there very well may be mechanics that promote group play, though solo may still be an option with great care. Especially when it's content related to obtaining an endgame item.

My Idea of an MMORPG is playing with friends/peopel i meet on the game and to have fun playing not spend my time farming X dungeon for 3 hours to get the item i need to upgrade my gear.

I really liked the old Relic quest where you had to go and defeat primal hard Mode's, it made getting the relic something of an achievement you could use. When i was levelling I would look to the level 50 Paladins in all Valor Gear and Relic Zenith and be like "I will get that weapon someday." And when i got it after a month on Titan HM (when it was almost impossible to do in DF in my experience anyway) i got it and I felt like i had accomplished something, I had defeated; Garuda, Ifrit and Titan and gathered enough Philosophy Tomes to purchase this iconic weapon.

Now with Animus/Novus anyone can get them, they just need to be able to farm 1500 myth for Animus and do a daily map and (not die ><) they have Animus/Novus.

Please ' Original Relic ' as i remember it that was back in the Old Version.
And that had harder Grinds. Also, the Quest didn't tell you to go alone?

Im mean i'm not for oneshot mechanics, i hate them.
However every boss battle with unforgiving mechanics is no fun to me.

But your not forced to go solo for the map or anything.

If by Old Version you mean 1.0 then i wouldn't know only been playing 5 months, and if you mean XI then if I want to go experience the "Hard" quest to get Relic I would go play it and not ARR. (Was not meant to be offensive if that's what it sounds like)

Not forced but when i ask people they are all busy and with prior experience of Soloing i thought i could.

Did you assume that a Map, which is equal to 800 myth, would be as easy as a normal map?



I was lucky so far and won all. All the way DRG and getting used to them. The bombs is something i did encounter 2 days ago for second time and they are HP based it seems. as soon as they appeared i killed them asap and they did not blow up at all.

But yeah.. i love those maps.

I did not assume it would be easy if I did i would have gone as my PLD and sat and tanked. I go as SCH because i have the option to let my pet heal me and buff while i DPS and i can Lustrate if shit hit the fan.

All in all some good feed back

I too like the map's and the way you can get them, you can either do a Daily or go farm 800 myth, I'm not that bothered about losing the myth as I had just accumulated that over time by helping friends and doing the dailies. What got me was the underhanded way the bombs did their attack. There was no "Skill bar" to say they was doing an attack they just sat there, I thought they buffed the boss so I went in and DoT them up (which was my mistake).

I have to ask, what exactly is your idea of an "MMORPG"? This is a core part of the genre, even going as far to say a core part of traditional RPGs in general. RPGs, even from the D&D board games era, all relied on what we now call RNG. It's a part of the genre itself that will never go away, similar to how being in first-person for an FPS will never go away. If you want guarantees (and to avoid the grind aspect entirely), RPGs are generally not your go-to genre... just saying.

The insta-kill mechanics are a bit underhanded, but that's sort of the gamble you take when doing things solo without prior knowledge. Again, this is an MMORPG, and no one should overlook the fact that there very well may be mechanics that promote group play, though solo may still be an option with great care. Especially when it's content related to obtaining an endgame item.

Please ' Original Relic ' as i remember it that was back in the Old Version.
And that had harder Grinds. Also, the Quest didn't tell you to go alone?

Im mean i'm not for oneshot mechanics, i hate them.
However every boss battle with unforgiving mechanics is no fun to me.

But your not forced to go solo for the map or anything.

Did you assume that a Map, which is equal to 800 myth, would be as easy as a normal map?



I was lucky so far and won all. All the way DRG and getting used to them. The bombs is something i did encounter 2 days ago for second time and they are HP based it seems. as soon as they appeard i killed them asap and they did not blow up at all.

But yeah.. i love those maps.

I have not had this map yet but I have had some where I was petrified or immobilized for 20 seconds. Extremely frustrating but I'm glad to see some new stuff that keeps me on my toes.

I had that one but i was as tank so i could shrug off the damage. The worst is the one with the Morbal, He will Bind you the use Bad Breath so have a stun ready or a Leeches/Esuna for the Bind then GTFO lol

[UBERHAXED]

I too like the map's and the way you can get them, you can either do a Daily or go farm 800 myth, I'm not that bothered about losing the myth as I had just accumulated that over time by helping friends and doing the dailies. What got me was the underhanded way the bombs did their attack. There was no "Skill bar" to say they was doing an attack they just sat there, I thought they buffed the boss so I went in and DoT them up (which was my mistake).

Just like every other bomb enemy in existence in the series, you should assume that if you wait too long to kill them they blow up. They actually have pretty low hp and if you start attacking them when they appear, then you shouldn't even have problems. You made the option to ignore them, even fore a few seconds and it cost you the map. It's one of those things where the hint was there (the type of enemy) but due to playstyle (ignore all adds and attack the boss) you died and you blame "game design".

[Welsper59]

My Idea of an MMORPG is playing with friends/peopel i meet on the game and to have fun playing not spend my time farming X dungeon for 3 hours to get the item i need to upgrade my gear.

I really liked the old Relic quest where you had to go and defeat primal hard Mode's, it made getting the relic something of an achievement you could use. When i was levelling I would look to the level 50 Paladins in all Valor Gear and Relic Zenith and be like "I will get that weapon someday." And when i got it after a month on Titan HM (when it was almost impossible to do in DF in my experience anyway) i got it and I felt like i had accomplished something, I had defeated; Garuda, Ifrit and Titan and gathered enough Philosophy Tomes to purchase this iconic weapon.

Now with Animus/Novus anyone can get them, they just need to be able to farm 1500 myth for Animus and do a daily map and (not die ><) they have Animus/Novus.

While your idea of an MMORPG is indeed part of the fun of the genre, it's not something exclusive to the genre itself. You basically define the exact feel of enjoyment that people acquire playing any online multiplayer game. Sims Online, CoD (or any FPS online game really), Starcraft, Minecraft, Diablo II/III, etc. They're all games that supply what you're looking for. In fact, they kinda end at just that. When you go into an MMORPG, you're going into a genre that has multiple aspects about it that are unique to it (just as those other games have aspects of their own genres that are unique to them). Again, the grind is part of the genre. If you're simply looking for online generic fun and good times with people that don't involve a grind of sorts to strengthen yourself, MMORPGs may not be for you. An "MMO" in general might be up your alley, but the traditional RPG elements/aspect of it isn't.

I fully understand what you mean by the feel of accomplishment through your struggles, another great thing about MMORPGs, but the monotonous grind goes hand in hand with it. It just changes the way (or face) of it from time to time. That having been said though, the Relic weapons really are just, for now, an alternative. The majority of people are looking at it as a "must have" when it isn't... at all. Right now, like you pointed out, it's accessible by everyone, probably because it's intended to be. As such, they can't block it off through difficult content (that's what coil weapons are for), and thus comes the traditional MMORPG grind and RNG to fall back on. There's honestly not much you can do to make things easily accessible for everyone without making it TOO easy. It's honestly not much different than relying on random dungeon drops to give you the exact item you were looking for. You could spend months, potentially years, accumulating the necessary materials or the weapon/armor you wanted in those formats. Somehow, I highly doubt anyone would be unlucky enough to fall into that with the Atma system being as simple to access as it is.

[EpicCid]

I have not had this map yet but I have had some where I was petrified or immobilized for 20 seconds. Extremely frustrating but I'm glad to see some new stuff that keeps me on my toes.

[alhandra]

i stopped reading at "because i went scholar and not dps"

scholar is awesome dps, why weren't you in cleric stance? the fairy can handle healing on her own and if she cant save some lustrates..

[tOnni3]

Ppl need to feel the advanture, or something that can kill them in open world, here it is.
And now ........

[Gormogon]

Ppl need to feel the advanture, or something that can kill them in open world, here it is.
And now ........

Yet there's no adventure or sense of duty in these fate farms.

[Alberel]

Yet there's no adventure or sense of duty in these fate farms.

Yet the novus upgrade path has nothing to do with fates...

Whilst the alexandrite maps are indicated as being soloable that does NOT mean they will be EASY to solo. They all CAN be soloed and none of them have unavoidable mechanics but you would be well advised to take at least one other player with you to ensure you don't waste the map. There is nothing wrong with the way these maps work, the people having problems with them have just gotten too used to solo content being easy content.

[Gormogon]

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They aren't "used" to it. It's been that way up until novus that you do the solo portion by yourself.

They should've specified with those 3 maps that 2 players is required or that there's a high ilvl requirement. They did mention you need high ilvl for some of em.

[Felis]

They aren't "used" to it. It's been that way up until novus that you do the solo portion by yourself.

They should've specified with those 3 maps that 2 players is required or that there's a high ilvl requirement. They did mention you need high ilvl for some of em.

It should be recommended, not required. So people, who can do them solo, still can do them solo.