Cleric Stance recast.

[Riko_Futatabi]

I'd much like this to be instant or 1 second recast. When you have those oops moments during battle due to trigger happy fingers clicking it off then back on, it can be pretty annoying to wait those 5 long seconds and maybe in some speed run cases(at least as WHM), deadly!

Just my opinion, it's not going to break the game if lower than 5 seconds.

[fanservice]

Even as a SCH I'd support this, even if my lustrate, stoneskin, and fairy really don't care what stance I'm in.

Only ways around cleric stance penalties for WHMs are regen, and medica 2 used ahead of time, benediction (dat recast though...), and stoneskin iirc. I think that's everything.

[Tranquil]

I don't support this idea. People need to learn to execute it properly at all times. There's literally nothing challenging to it otherwise and no sense of calculated risk-taking. If you are accidentally hitting it, consider swapping your keybinds. If you're just miscalculating the situation at hand - try to one-up your raid awareness for incoming damage and thinking ahead a bit etc.

[Riko_Futatabi]

I don't support this idea. People need to learn to execute it properly at all times. There's literally nothing challenging to it otherwise and no sense of calculated risk-taking. If you are accidentally hitting it, consider swapping your keybinds. If you're just miscalculating the situation at hand - try to one-up your raid awareness for incoming damage and thinking ahead a bit etc.

Probably the first time I've cringed and laughed at the same time. It's just a suggestion for a little tweak chill out, lol.

[Tranquil]

Probably the first time I've cringed and laughed at the same time. It's just a suggestion for a little tweak chill out, lol.

And I posted feedback to your suggestion. I am pretty chill, but that's just what I think about it. There're enough healers who faceroll with the DPSing as it is, so I feel like the 5s recast timer is nice for penalizing people for bad judgement. It also somewhat makes the whole stance-dancing deal seem a bit more meaningful. I wouldn't mind it if your suggestion got implemented as it would change nothing for me, but I think the current system is nice as people need to think ahead 2 GCDs, so some people might not have the confidence to do it in certain situations. Thus, it's something you can build up on and improve your gameplay via trial and error. Nothing wrong with you or anyone else disagreeing with my point of view though.

[StarHate]

My complaint is that it is on the front end of the ability instead of the back. I am not sure why it is designed to have the cooldown when activated, but not deactivated. Given the games natural buff delays, it isn't too uncommon to accidentally toggle it back on from a double tap because you thought the initial disable didn't take. They need to let it activate without a cooldown, then throw the 5 second delay when you turn it back off. This removes the fat finger complaint (which is completely valid) without ruining the strategic usage.

[HaelseMikiro]

They need to let it activate without a cooldown, then throw the 5 second delay when you turn it back off. This removes the fat finger complaint (which is completely valid) without ruining the strategic usage.

Although then a tremendously small percent of players would fat finger themselves back out of cleric stance when they want to dps. Perhaps apply the 5sec cooldown to turning it on AND off. Fat fingers rejoice! You're stuck in either stance for 2 GCDs, don't let the world go to shite in that time , neh?

[AngelicSence]

If you want to dps, you must pay the price for it.

Cleric stance (on and off CD) was already addressed in Japanese website.
They not going to touch it because, it simply makes healer over powered.
That ability not only swaps current mind and int, but also provide extra 10% damage boost. Which means, any healers who activated CS are now per with any dpsers out there with healing ability. Speaking of WHMs.. Holy is 2nd powerful AoE spell next to flare. If you have i100 weapon and (this is optional) activated presence of mind, you can easily out dps blms and other dpsers. All in all... Unfortunately, cleric stance will remain the same. So, better get used to it

[AldoVonAlexandros]

Hahaha, yeah, for those oh sh*th moments, i mean, people dont need abilitie to use this, but when u r dpsing and the tank decides to absorb all aos he can, well, he dies cause my oh sh*th was tap 2 times cs xD

[fanservice]

If you want to dps, you must pay the price for it.

OP said in case of fat fingering/double tapping, which happens.

Cleric stance (on and off CD) was already addressed in Japanese website.

You should link that if you're going to mention it.

They not going to touch it because, it simply makes healer over powered.

It actually won't change anything compared to now assuming the healer knows what's coming in the next 5 seconds, and people don't take unexpected/avoidable damage at a bad time (aka decent players).

Removing that CD won't make healers like me who toggle it on and off when needed/appropriate any stronger than they already are, like tranquil said:

I wouldn't mind it if your suggestion got implemented as it would change nothing for me

I don't see how the 5 second wait to toggle off the stance keeps us in check, especially SCHs considering DOTs don't care once they're up, and lustrate+fairy don't care at all. It's more annoying than anything else. Your point of 'having to pay a price' barely applies as is because of HOTs, DOTs, pets, and % hp heals.

My complaint is that it is on the front end of the ability instead of the back. I am not sure why it is designed to have the cooldown when activated, but not deactivated. Given the games natural buff delays, it isn't too uncommon to accidentally toggle it back on from a double tap because you thought the initial disable didn't take. They need to let it activate without a cooldown, then throw the 5 second delay when you turn it back off. This removes the fat finger complaint (which is completely valid) without ruining the strategic usage.

I like this.