Thread: To the Complainers... GTFO, 1.18 ROCKS!

Originally Posted by Shai

Stop trying to tell me it's more challenging or I need more skill. It's *** boring and it makes me weep at how lame it truly is. I'll probably quit being a mage until they release Jobs or something that makes it more bearable.

Open a new thread and explain your point of view with these examples.
SE told us hundred times that they are going to balance stuff after 1.18.
If it is a real concern, than bring it up so they can check it. With examples and without the pointless whining.
Sadly 90% of the people are just whining and spamming. They did it even befor they could play the game after the patch.

Originally Posted by Shai

You speak like someone who has a Rank 20 Conjurer (when it takes 10 or less hours to get to 24) and never healed, spammed damage over time, put up nukes in BRs and otherwise did 5 different things in the heat of battle, all while managing MP to make sure your tank wasn't about to die at a moments notice in an end-game fight...

... or is that just your alt?

MP wasn't infinite yesterday. It took some management. Cure should have cost more. Raise should have cost more, but not quadruple more. Not so much that in 10 spells I need a break from a 20 min battle. Yesterday I had fun playing Conjurer, today I was bored to tears. Cure. Passive. Cure. Passive. Cure Cure Cure. *** guys I'm out of MP. Watch my wife play. Ok back in. Cure. Passive. Cure. Siphon. Cure. Raise a ***. Oh *** out of MP.

I can't even tell you what Great Buffalo was like yesterday. 3 mages and we were all curing, keeping as many DOT as we could up, and each of us starting or finishing a Battle Regiment, and I finished each fight with less than 100 MP, and in fact had to pull and tank a crab just to siphon 200 MP back every now and then. That was *** fun.

Stop trying to tell me it's more challenging or I need more skill. It's *** boring and it makes me weep at how lame it truly is. I'll probably quit being a mage until they release Jobs or something that makes it more bearable.

Having to choose between healing and dealing damage isn't a bad thing.

People wanted more definition between classes, here they are. Now they complain.

Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

Either you make MP infinite or you have healers start sitting out to regen MP. No two ways about it.

incorrect, you can make mana into a replenishable thing via skills. or have preventive magic spells, like a spell that halves the dmg on one target, spreads dmg out, reduces dmg based on your stats, or skills. Take a look at GW 1, they really made the healer class have a number of different styles, and also made it so with proper skill use, you rarely ran out of mp in a good build.

the failure of the current system is resorting to having people wait on mp while doing nothing, instead of actively managing mp, or using skills that prevent dmg actively.

But it is possible that if you use all your tools, maybe you can not put away your weapon, i dunno havent tried con yet, but i prolly wont.

That thread already exists, bro.

I'm just shooting down these *** who think mages got what they deserved.

Apparently if you're a melee, you can participate in a battle 100% of the time, but if you're a mage, you should only be useful 50% of the time and the other 50% you should be hanging out somewhere in the corner avoiding AOE and waiting for your MP to gather around you.

I understand that with Job System and Materia System and stats attached to my class (that mean something) this MIGHT just all balance out, but the MP cost on Cure 3 will still be outrageous and in the meantime I have a broken *** job that I don't want to play. I should just suck it up and wait 1 more month or 2 or hey why not 6 for them to *** fix it? Yeah, awesome. That makes me want to play.

Unlike half the *** I saw today, I have been playing this game for the last 9 months uninterrupted and I actually want to keep playing. I don't want to *** wait a minute longer for my class to be useable again. So sorry if I'm a little irritated about this "suck it up" attitude. You try going into passive mode for 33% of every battle over the course of 1 hour long dungeon raid and come back and tell me if it was fun for you or not. You pick the class. I'm sure the answer will be the same if you're Gladiator, Archer, Marauder or Conjurer. It's lame.

Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

Having to choose between healing and dealing damage isn't a bad thing.

People wanted more definition between classes, here they are. Now they complain.

problem is they defined con as something totally different, to the people saying its balancing, thats fine, but with the current tools, its not balanced, thats what people are getting at, maybe later if they add skills that reduce mp costs, or something else, but as it is it still needs adjustment.

+1 OP, I agree. Finally time to put them hard hats on.

Originally Posted by Shai

Spoken like a true non-mage.

As you can see i have a Rank 29 THM and a Rank 22 CON which i leveld in the first month of the game where getting to Rank 20 took a week. Plus i play in every MMO a Paladin and a White Mage. So healing is kind of the most important matter to me, regarding MMOs.

I don't set the timing, bub. How much damage my idiot party members takes does.

You have Sacrifice, you have cure, you have Siphon MP. You also have Potions and you can put points in MND or buy MP gear, if you have a MP problem.
Also it depends on what you are doing. Grind Party? Than you need at least a backup healer or a tank who can watch his HP a little? Behest and Leves? Never an MP issue. Soloing? Was never meant to be for grinding!

I definitely just sit around when I'm out of MP. I have nothing more to contribute because 1.18 made sure of it.

1.18 made every party member think for once what they are doing. The amount you could spam healing spells was ridiculous. It was so ridiculous that people stopped thinking of how they could improve their healing.
Now they have to thing more about their stats, their gear and their way to play.

Edit: If you (as a Gladiator) surrounded yourself with mages who "mindlessly" spammed Cure 3 AOE rather than actually use their *** abilities like Spirit Dart, Nuke (assuming you guys BR - wild assumption, though), keep up at least 3 if not 5 Damage-Over-Time, then you were really setting your entire team at a disadvantage and you should fire those guys.

Where are you getting that? I said people could and did spam cure. I didn't say it was all they were doing.
Also i talked from a healer perspective not a Gladiator one.

I mean honestly. Do you really think all there was to being a mage yesterday is mindless AOE Cure Spam? That's your stance on it?

And again. I never said that!
Healing was mindless spamming, not playing a mage!

I'm here to tell you it was a lot more complex - in fact it was as complex as the mage player himself wanted it to be and the better he multitasked the easier fights were for everyone, but now I just kinda stand around waiting to cure because god forbid I run out of MP and we wipe.

You say it was complex, I say mages kicked the butt out of everything in this game. They did ridiculous damage and they could heal non stop or did you see a melee class soloing NM's?
Mages were way to powerful. This is the truth "bro".