Frontlines ilvl sync

[Tandy]

Well, I could also respond that your analogy doesn't work either because let's face it...in FFXIV the majority of your performance is based on doing a dance not just doing damage. I don't think anyone could argue that beating T5 is ultimately boiled down to "there's nothing but killing Twintania" or that you could beat Leviathan/Titan Extreme without knowing how to dodge. Even in PvE there are many "objectives" to winning besides just dps-ing. But even if it were different in PvE, let's also face the fact that it's unreasonable to assume that you could win a battleground without actually fighting another player in reality. People will be defending their objectives and from the time you engage them to the time one party wins for all intents and purposes it becomes a deathmatch. Sure, theoretically you could wind a BG without actually fighting another player but in 7 years of playing MMOs I haven't seen it yet.

It seems that you and I are at impasse, so I suppose we'll just agree to disagree. It's not like the Dev's will be taking into consideration either of our ideas anyway

I can at least see where your coming from, so its not like I dont understand totally, even if we wont change each others minds, we are at least seeing the "same things". But even Twin or Titan/Levi, dance or no dance...the fights not over till they die :P The dance is merely how you get to the objective, do it properly but dont kill the mob and you still lose. And your right about the pvp killing, I dont think I have ever won a battleground without killing at least one person, but its theoretically possible at least. The killing there to me is the dance from pve, just an obstacle in the way of the objective. No matter how much you do kill though, take no objective and you still lose.

And your right, what we say matters nothing to the dev's lol its all just a way to pass the time

[Shake0615]

IAnd your right, what we say matters nothing to the dev's lol its all just a way to pass the time

Ain't that the truth lol.

[Nalien]

It's not like the Dev's will be taking into consideration our comments anyway.

And your right, what we say matters nothing to the dev's lol its all just a way to pass the time

This makes me sad for its truth...

So far the developers haven't exactly handled PvP with the greatest level of aptitude when left to their own devices (at best they've been fairly slow at addressing issues), I'd rather they take points from both sides from these discussions and try and build a middle ground, than have a repeat of Wolves' Den when it first launched... Another reason I hate how SE handles content reveals (have done since XI), they tell us so close to release, so that if there is an issue with it, it's too late to really address it before release. If we'd known any details about Frontlines at literally any point in the three years we've been waiting for it, they could have molded it to better suit the community before release, rather than solely relying on feedback after release.