Protesting Frontlines

[Wulfgang]

Frankly, they should have just done what they did with the arena.

LV 30/40 Frontlines: Morale does not apply
LV 50 Frontlines: Morale does apply

Satisfies both the casual and hardcore contingent. Casuals can work their way up to the hardcore gear in a meaningful way (i.e. not just getting gibbed constantly by i90+ PVP players) through 30/40 runs.

[Akiza]

Frankly, they should have just done what they did with the arena.

LV 30/40 Frontlines: Morale does not apply
LV 50 Frontlines: Morale does apply

Satisfies both the casual and hardcore contingent. Casuals can work their way up to the hardcore gear in a meaningful way (i.e. not just getting gibbed constantly by i90+ PVP players) through 30/40 runs.

That wouldn't work because casuals wouldn't even try Frontlines and since Square Enix wants as many players as possible to play Frontlines they removed the morale stats to entice the casuals to play.

[Urielparadox]

It's not like front lines will permanently block morale if it does then it's not real pvp. It's just going to block it at start because players are tired of waiting on 30+ guess for 10 points of wolf marks/100 if you win. However almost every time I go in i'm the only dps going after the whm on my team the other is usually fighting the tank and this causes us to loose. so a 30min que for a 1 min match that we lost because the other dps didn't know what to do an didn't say anything. fantastic. So a 30min que for 100 points and I need 12k+ points to buy one peice armor. The system as it stands any player trying to enter pvp now will never legitimately get pvp gear or a pvp rank. No one does pvp because for the reasons stated above. I've tried getting a team together, non wt, no one wants to deal with it, there is no place for new people to enter pvp even with the non-morale areas unless you Win-trade, and if you don't want to WT then gl finding people.

[Kabooa]

real pvp.

Real PvP doesn't !@#^!foot around with "PvP stats" or "PvP ranks". You go in, you beat each other in the face, and you do it over again. Adding anything that one person can have while the other doesn't outside inherent class/race differences isn't "real pvp".

[FallenHero]

apparently real PvP is playing dress up and having an obscene gear advantage that lets you steamroll new players without even trying. Sorry but no, thats the problem with PvP in these themepark MMOs, the constant gear treadmill and if you dont gear up first you will just lose match after match after match and not stand a chance. Oh yeah thats real fun and engaging gameplay right there. Real PvPers PvP for the sake of killing someone else and having bragging rights, not to grind tokens for those new pants with higher stats.

[Akiza]

The only reason hardcore players want morale stat to count in Frontlines is so they can steamroll new players and casuals without trying

[Kumo]

I dont know what to say about this other than pvp feels REALLY limited witht eh current 4v4 restrictions I mean how many players even pick a PvE tank class with the aim to do PvP?

And now I read that morale is going to be useless in frontlines?

Morale actually balances the PvP considerably because the damage from full raiding gear is considerably higher than that of a player with morale to lower thier damage and allow them to compete.

Essentially you remove morale and PvE gear becomes the main thing, which is really bad design, I don't want to fight in morale gear level 70-100 vs a PvE player with 110+ gear.

[Kumo]

Here is how Frontlines will be, I will just find the most overpowered PvE AoE spell I can and get the best PvE weapon I can get and just hide behind a wall of allies and press the Flare button. I don't even play BLM but that is how I will play this non-morale pvp, and I will win because I can do three flares with convert and mana draw enough to do considerable damage to almost the entire enemy team.

People can say it will be good for casuals and newer players, but it wont be, the damage from players with PvE gear will be so high without morale that the whole mode will be a joke.

[Menriq]

Here is how Frontlines will be, I will just find the most overpowered PvE AoE spell I can and get the best PvE weapon I can get and just hide behind a wall of allies and press the Flare button. I don't even play BLM but that is how I will play this non-morale pvp, and I will win because I can do three flares with convert and mana draw enough to do considerable damage to almost the entire enemy team.

People can say it will be good for casuals and newer players, but it wont be, the damage from players with PvE gear will be so high without morale that the whole mode will be a joke.

You do realize that you will be iLevel synced, so everyone will be at the same max iLevel right? You won't have a 110 team vs an i80 team.

[Caly]

Do you realize that you will have less than 4k hp ? i80 or not vs 1 to 24 ennemy do you think you will survive if 2 or 3 of them are spamming AOE like when they were pexing with fate ?
Y frontline is just another free grind tool like the fate.

Rush in, spam AOE, die or not, do it again ...

You can say what you want about gear, y it does help a lot high rank to win, but why are you asking to have same chance to win vs someone who is doing pvp for months and have like 4k arena and got so much exp about how to deal with it ?

I start pvp around february (2 months after 2.1 release) there was allready a lot of R30.. y i lost a lot of arena at the beginning, i had to group up with 1 or 2 friends and when we have got i70 pvp + i90 - 95 pve weapon, we were able to win 60-70% of the time, even if there was 1-2 or 3 R30 vs us.

When you do pve, you ask for the boss to do nothing because you have 0 exp on it ?
New player in pvp are the same new player in PVE, do you think a i70 pve boy can beat T9 ? no, and even with that, SE is not going to give free kill on it ?

Anyway, Frontline is going to be useless since this is just another restricted area, no pvp stat, no pvp gear, not able to play with friends, pve ennemy to kill. its like CT , free stuff but no real xp on how to deal with pve (or pvp for frontline).