Protesting Frontlines

[MikeyMac]

In PvP? No you 100% shouldn't. The only "advantage" you should have is skill. Having a gear advantage is asinine.

Then don't put PVP gear in the game. Why bother? If it has no relevance, then what is the purpose of it? Throw your i55 PVE stuff on and run T9. Your awesome skillz should get you through it. The only comments on this thread against the OPs topic are people who don't want to grind the gear and just be handed the content to them. Take your lumps like everyone and get facerolled by people who worked for gear until you get better gear and experience.

[Ransu]

Then don't put PVP gear in the game. Why bother? If it has no relevance, then what is the purpose of it? Throw your i55 PVE stuff on and run T9. Your awesome skillz should get you through it. The only comments on this thread against the OPs topic are people who don't want to grind the gear and just be handed the content to them. Take your lumps like everyone and get facerolled by people who worked for gear until you get better gear and experience.

PvE progression and PvP competitive play are two COMPLETELY different things and it makes me sad knowing that I used to think like you when it came to pvp gear with some older MMO's I used to play, but in the end I realized that PvP gear is completely asinine. The whole "take your lumps and get facerolled" crap is what turns people away from pvp. Its one thing to lose to someone better than you. Its a completely different story when you lose because they simply out gear you. You can be the best pvper in the world, but it don't mean shit if the baddie out gears you since you will do crap damage to him. So please tell me where in that logic does anything make sense? Honestly the only people that like pvp gear are the ones that enjoy laughing at undergeared players as they kill them within a single global.

and it was time and skill that those players put in to get the gear that they earned. like right now, what are you going to do with your wolf marks you earned in Frontlines? buy cookies with them? or not buy the gear you earned (even though its trash now unless you do 50 Den).

Time is all it was. You really don't need skill to gear up in pvp in any game. Its just time. I've seen hundreds of people in swtor in full pvp ranked gear but they are still absolutely terrible at the game. They just simply spent the time grinding out the gear converting their regular commendations into ranked commendations while never stepping foot into ranked (one of many of swtors mistakes which killed off ranked pvp). Gear doesn't equate skill. Spending time grinding gear doesn't make the person skillful. What SE should of done is removed the pvp gear. PvP ranking and vanity rewards such as armor with no stats that can be glamoured or unique mounts etc...would of been the way to go. PvP gear is something that came as a quick fix to stop raiders from dominating but in today's MMO's with systems such as bolster in swtor (and even WoW using a similar system) and ilevel sync in FFXIV, the day's of pvp gear is becoming pointless.

[Gor]

Time is all it was. You really don't need skill to gear up in pvp in any game. Its just time. I've seen hundreds of people in swtor in full pvp ranked gear but they are still absolutely terrible at the game ... dribble dribble toil and scribble.

So what. The point is they took the time to get it while others that chose to bish and moan did not. The only difference is if the player is good, it will take less time to get the gear while bad players will eventually get it. It doesn't mean PVP gear should only be for good players. And it certainly doesn't mean bad players should be less entitled to the gear just because they are are not as skilled.

What SE should of done is removed the pvp gear.

Or maybe haters who didn't want to put in the time to grind PVP gear should just go play Care Bears where everyone wins and everyone gets the same thing so no one feels left out.

[Ransu]

Or maybe haters who didn't want to put in the time to grind PVP gear should just go play Care Bears where everyone wins and everyone gets the same thing so no one feels left out.

Or maybe you should stop relying on gear? Competitive play is not competitive when I can roll in and loloneshot someone who has no gear. Cuz that is all pvp gear is. In swtor for example two people of equal pvp stats just zero out. They all get the same bonuses. But someone without pvp gear? I roll up and smack them for 15k, and they usually only have around 22k hp where as a full pvp gear dps will be around 33k. Anyone who see's nothing wrong with that is nothing more than a troll who gets jollies killing people in 1-2 attacks. Where is the fun in that? Its pointless.

[Fayie]

Or maybe you should stop relying on gear? Competitive play is not competitive when I can roll in and loloneshot someone who has no gear. Cuz that is all pvp gear is. In swtor for example two people of equal pvp stats just zero out. They all get the same bonuses. But someone without pvp gear? I roll up and smack them for 15k, and they usually only have around 22k hp where as a full pvp gear dps will be around 33k. Anyone who see's nothing wrong with that is nothing more than a troll who gets jollies killing people in 1-2 attacks. Where is the fun in that? Its pointless.

So basically, what you're saying is that people should PvP with no rewards and nothing to work towards.

I am sick of all these people going on about these free hand-me-outs. The reason why lower ranks are getting owned in PvP because you don't have the gear. And the reason those players don't have the gear is because the higher ranks did the grinding and hard work before you. So, if I have this correct, you're saying that because they put in the hard work before you and did the rank grinding before you means that all the lower-rank players who didn't bother should get a handicap?

[Ransu]

So basically, what you're saying is that people should PvP with no rewards and nothing to work towards.

I've never said that. Vanity rewards can easily exist. People flooded the ranked queue in swtor just for a shot at the 1500 rating rancor mount. You don't need gear to incentivise rank. Vanity works just as well. Mounts, pieces of armor with no stats that can be used for glamour, etc...

I am sick of all these people going on about these free hand-me-outs. The reason why lower ranks are getting owned in PvP because you don't have the gear. And the reason those players don't have the gear is because the higher ranks did the grinding and hard work before you. So, if I have this correct, you're saying that because they put in the hard work before you and did the rank grinding before you means that all the lower-rank players who didn't bother should get a handicap?

swtor is going on its 9th tier of pvp gear. So you don't need to tell me about "hard work" as I'm always min/maxed on the highest tier of pvp gear on multiple toons. Even though in reality that hard work is nothing more than grinding, but whatever. All gear does is put me on equal footing with other min/maxed players and lets me absolutely obliterate people with no gear and they could be possibly good players, they could be bad, hell they could be new, but at the end of the day skill had zero play in it, and if its a new player? There's a high chance they will never come back.

So please tell me, what's the point of PvP gear? Because in the years I've been pvping in MMO's with PvP gear I've slowly started to wonder what the point is. Hell, in swtor I'm at the point where I'm gaming the refund system by purchasing low level pvp weapons and then trading them in before the timer runs out to be max geared before I hit level cap on any alts I level because I refuse to queue without pvp gear (by level 54 I usually have 20+ weapons, enough to get completely min/maxed)....that's how bad the disparity is between people with full expertise and people who are just getting bolstered without pvp gear (new players). You get absolutely destroyed.

Why should I even have to go through all that? What's wrong with hitting 55 on an alt and letting skill be the determining factor? Why do I need pvp gear? For what? So I can roflstomp people without it? I'm sick and tired of it. I'd be much happier with a pure bolster system like how it functions in the low levels and just have customizable armor shells or mounts or some other kind of vanity along with the ranking system as forms of "rewards."

No one here has yet to give me a 100% valid reason why we "need" pvp gear outside of being butthurt because they spent time win trading to get their current gear...which is not really a good reason.

[Rawk]

No one here has yet to give me a 100% valid reason why we "need" pvp gear outside of being butthurt because they spent time win trading to get their current gear.

In my opinion the gear grind is what makes MMO's fun, whether it's PvE or PvP. I'm only asking for a slight advantage, but it keeps me coming back for more. That is a 100% valid reason why. Some people have different motivations for PvP.
also there have been MANY valid opinions on why gear has a place in pvp. Please read thread.
I'm still entitled to what I earned. Not everyone win-trades.