Protesting Frontlines

[juno27]

I just want to say that in a MMO I believe time, work, and research is key to be a good player (when more when 60% are usually bad). So I do feel bad for the people who grinded their pvp gear for frontlines. I personally have not done the grinding but as a former wow pvper (gladiator) I am strongly against this elimination of morale for frontlines. If pVp can be done in PVE gear why even have a PVP stat? why even creating pvp gear in the first place. Because the req. skills and pace is completely different in these aspect of the game, the pvp gear represents how much you have been training (at least to me) and pve gear is how much work you put in with your static grp put on your progression. So why is it that a large scale pvp zone forcing all the pvpers to PVE. To me this like forcing a boxer to fight in a ring but no punching allowed

PS: for those that is arguing that PvP gear is going to 2 shot ppl all day long, a max end game gear dps can do the same (not to mention theres gonna be 48 enemies, which means like 2 mages with flare can prolly 2 shot you anyway) so why r we removing pvp defense

[Riddik]

wow pvper (gladiator)

Because wolves den population is awful? Wow destroyed MMO PvP. Why not just make a separate game called WoW arena where you just sit in a lobby queue and purchase better items from the lobby window because that is literally what it is. Most players will not grind both gear sets, simply not enough time. UO/DAoC/ShadowBane/SWG/EQ PvP all 100% better than WoW, because it was mmorpg PvP. PvP stat is awful in every form.

This new generation of WoWPvPers are literally insane, they still carry the mantra of how much more skill pvp takes yet they throw a fit when equipment is equalized and it becomes almost all skill based instead of equipment advantage. That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. WoWPvPers need to drop the skill based mantra, you don't deserve to rub it in the ground like that. If they fix the queue problem with frontlines I bet the population will be astronomically higher than wolves den, how is that a bad thing for people who supposedly thrive off "skill" based competition?

[juno27]

never really complained or see complain too much abt pvp gear in wow, my exp is that some combos were simple too OP or specifically anything with a damn mage. but either way there is plenty of ppl that might disagree with what you are saying. I am simply trying to point out if you are going to do a pvp game which is different from pve in everyway then wouldn't u expect different set of gear? and if there is a different set of gear for pvp wouldn't you expect it to be allowed to use them (in this case im tanking abt morale)

[MikeyMac]

Can anyone say with a straight face say that it makes even a small amount of sense that PVP gear is useless in PVP? I have just recently started PVPing and this update/addition is a blatent slap in the face, as another person on here posted earlier. People who made the effort to obtain gear and materia SHOULD have their advantage. That's why you put forth the effort, to become better. As a 1.0 player, this is another of the "catering to casuals" kind of addition like FATE grinding and simple crafting/gathering leveling. Let the PVPers PVP!!! And give me my Hamlet back!!! That is all.

[Gor]

Can anyone say with a straight face say that it makes even a small amount of sense that PVP gear is useless in PVP? I have just recently started PVPing and this update/addition is a blatent slap in the face, as another person on here posted earlier. People who made the effort to obtain gear and materia SHOULD have their advantage. That's why you put forth the effort, to become better. As a 1.0 player, this is another of the "catering to casuals" kind of addition like FATE grinding and simple crafting/gathering leveling. Let the PVPers PVP!!! And give me my Hamlet back!!! That is all.

its why i hit rank 40 and stopped. i just had no incentive to continue once i heard that it would have no benefit. and it p'd me off further that i spent all those months farming rank and gear for 10 and 12 hours a day non-stop, only for it to be useless for any new pvp content. loved how they put the gear in the Frontlines cinematic tho as if it matters. pathetic

[Ransu]

Can anyone say with a straight face say that it makes even a small amount of sense that PVP gear is useless in PVP? I have just recently started PVPing and this update/addition is a blatent slap in the face, as another person on here posted earlier. People who made the effort to obtain gear and materia SHOULD have their advantage. That's why you put forth the effort, to become better. As a 1.0 player, this is another of the "catering to casuals" kind of addition like FATE grinding and simple crafting/gathering leveling. Let the PVPers PVP!!! And give me my Hamlet back!!! That is all.

In PvP? No you 100% shouldn't. The only "advantage" you should have is skill. Having a gear advantage is asinine.

[MikeyMac]

In PvP? No you 100% shouldn't. The only "advantage" you should have is skill. Having a gear advantage is asinine.

Then don't put PVP gear in the game. Why bother? If it has no relevance, then what is the purpose of it? Throw your i55 PVE stuff on and run T9. Your awesome skillz should get you through it. The only comments on this thread against the OPs topic are people who don't want to grind the gear and just be handed the content to them. Take your lumps like everyone and get facerolled by people who worked for gear until you get better gear and experience.

[Ransu]

Then don't put PVP gear in the game. Why bother? If it has no relevance, then what is the purpose of it? Throw your i55 PVE stuff on and run T9. Your awesome skillz should get you through it. The only comments on this thread against the OPs topic are people who don't want to grind the gear and just be handed the content to them. Take your lumps like everyone and get facerolled by people who worked for gear until you get better gear and experience.

PvE progression and PvP competitive play are two COMPLETELY different things and it makes me sad knowing that I used to think like you when it came to pvp gear with some older MMO's I used to play, but in the end I realized that PvP gear is completely asinine. The whole "take your lumps and get facerolled" crap is what turns people away from pvp. Its one thing to lose to someone better than you. Its a completely different story when you lose because they simply out gear you. You can be the best pvper in the world, but it don't mean shit if the baddie out gears you since you will do crap damage to him. So please tell me where in that logic does anything make sense? Honestly the only people that like pvp gear are the ones that enjoy laughing at undergeared players as they kill them within a single global.

and it was time and skill that those players put in to get the gear that they earned. like right now, what are you going to do with your wolf marks you earned in Frontlines? buy cookies with them? or not buy the gear you earned (even though its trash now unless you do 50 Den).

Time is all it was. You really don't need skill to gear up in pvp in any game. Its just time. I've seen hundreds of people in swtor in full pvp ranked gear but they are still absolutely terrible at the game. They just simply spent the time grinding out the gear converting their regular commendations into ranked commendations while never stepping foot into ranked (one of many of swtors mistakes which killed off ranked pvp). Gear doesn't equate skill. Spending time grinding gear doesn't make the person skillful. What SE should of done is removed the pvp gear. PvP ranking and vanity rewards such as armor with no stats that can be glamoured or unique mounts etc...would of been the way to go. PvP gear is something that came as a quick fix to stop raiders from dominating but in today's MMO's with systems such as bolster in swtor (and even WoW using a similar system) and ilevel sync in FFXIV, the day's of pvp gear is becoming pointless.

[Gor]

In PvP? No you 100% shouldn't. The only "advantage" you should have is skill. Having a gear advantage is asinine.

and it was time and skill that those players put in to get the gear that they earned. like right now, what are you going to do with your wolf marks you earned in Frontlines? buy cookies with them? or not buy the gear you earned (even though its trash now unless you do 50 Den).