Protesting Frontlines

[Sanguisio]

Stop being such a whiner.
Everyone is on the same level, so only skill will separate.

[rappa]

Think about it.

You spent 3 months to get your novus weapon, hours farming fates, doing brayflox, killing thousand enemies around Eorzea and get your weapon.
Then, after all your effort, SE choose to remove novus weapon because are powerful and broke the game. What will you feel?

I spent one month and half, people did fates and brayflox farm and i played pvp 4 hours or more each day. Now, all my efforts is not rewarded in frontline because the pvp gear is useless.

Ok, we have wolves' den, but, who will queue again? A new player will go to frontlines so queue will be more long in wolves' den and players focused on pvp are a few compared pve.

[Ransu]

Think about it.

You spent 3 months to get your novus weapon, hours farming fates, doing brayflox, killing thousand enemies around Eorzea and get your weapon.
Then, after all your effort, SE choose to remove novus weapon because are powerful and broke the game. What will you feel?

I spent one month and half, people did fates and brayflox farm and i played pvp 4 hours or more each day. Now, all my efforts is not rewarded in frontline because the pvp gear is useless.

Ok, we have wolves' den, but, who will queue again? A new player will go to frontlines so queue will be more long in wolves' den and players focused on pvp are a few compared pve.

Are you new to mmo's? PvE players literally go through this process every few months when new tiers of gear come out and even more so when an expansion comes out.

[Destain]

Think about it.

You spent 3 months to get your novus weapon, hours farming fates, doing brayflox, killing thousand enemies around Eorzea and get your weapon.
Then, after all your effort, SE choose to remove novus weapon because are powerful and broke the game. What will you feel?

Kinda like someone that had their relic in 1.0 and defeated Darnus then had the relic quest change into something that could be done in 2 hours and the white raven earring become a vanity piece. Oh wait that happened but we were okay with it because we knew changing it would bring in NEW players.

I don't play PVP but I will play front lines. Bottom line you assumed ranking up in Wolfes Den(PVP Deathmatch) would carry over to Front lines (PVP objective) and want to throw a fit now that you know it doesn't and all that time spent win trading accounts for nothing.

I'd prefer no PVP in this game period because they had to make gear stats bland as shit in order to accommodate for that aspect of the game.

[rappa]

Assuming all pvp players are wintraders is like think all pve players are carried by FC selling runs.

Ok, Spent one month collecting Alexandrites, spend money to level the glyph to get your 40 parry in your animus weapon.
After that, without a notification, just a live letter, you will have notice you will lose that parry in your gear if enter in Third Coil.

Your curtana with 40 parry and 20 accuracy, lose all the parry. But not only the weapon, all gear you have.
Outside Coil you have got 530 parry, but inside The new Coil, you get 341 (parry base).
You spent 2 month farming Second coil for nothing because all that gear is useless in the new content to help you.

Do you see the comparison?

[Destain]

Assuming all pvp players are wintraders is... A safe bet because unlike people buying runs it is what the majority of people do

Again, happens to PVE players on a regular basis because we spend months grinding gear only to have the fight nerfed and restrictions removed and again, you assumed that PVP Deathmatch stats would apply in Large Scale PVP Objective, which are two separate types of PVP. I am going to type it in cap locks and maybe you will understand. THEY AREN'T TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM YOU, YOU STILL GET TO USE IT IN PVP DEATHMATCH... If this was a 3 way Deathmatch type content you'd have a leg to stand on, but it's not the continuation of wolves den.

yes, lets drive away all the people the people that want an even playing ground so you can have a stat and feel special? Wouldn't see any long queue time complaint threads then would we?

[Shake0615]

Again, happens to PVE players on a regular basis because we spend months grinding gear only to have the fight nerfed and restrictions removed and again, you assumed that PVP Deathmatch stats would apply in Large Scale PVP Objective, which are two separate types of PVP. I am going to type it in cap locks and maybe you will understand. THEY AREN'T TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM YOU, YOU STILL GET TO USE IT IN PVP DEATHMATCH... If this was a 3 way Deathmatch type content you'd have a leg to stand on, but it's not the continuation of wolves den.

That's a false dichotomy. It doesn't matter if this is arena style, battlegrounds or dueling. Saying that PvP gear should only apply to arena is like saying that you shouldn't use High Allagan gear in a Primal fight. YOU STILL GET TO USE ALLAGAN GEAR IN COIL! NO ONE IS TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM YOU!

You may agree that Frontlines should be baby mode stepping stones for people who want to dabble in PvP while waiting on their FC mates to log in for Coil, but for people who've actually been looking forward to this since it was announced get very little out of this arrangement other than a shallow match with no rewards. We feel like something has, in fact, been taking away from us because we had been led on to believe that our Wolf gear (PvP rewards) would apply to Frontlines (PvP battlegrounds). How could we have been so stupid for making that assumption?

[Ransu]

Assuming all pvp players are wintraders is like think all pve players are carried by FC selling runs.

Ok, Spent one month collecting Alexandrites, spend money to level the glyph to get your 40 parry in your animus weapon.
After that, without a notification, just a live letter, you will have notice you will lose that parry in your gear if enter in Third Coil.

Your curtana with 40 parry and 20 accuracy, lose all the parry. But not only the weapon, all gear you have.
Outside Coil you have got 530 parry, but inside The new Coil, you get 341 (parry base).
You spent 2 month farming Second coil for nothing because all that gear is useless in the new content to help you.

Do you see the comparison?

Nothing new, PvE players go through it at all the time. You clearly have never played MMO's before. Gear becomes obsolete all the time, including pvp gear when new content comes out. With that said, pvp gear shouldn't even exist to begin with.

[Ransu]

You are a troll and if you are not interested in pvp GTFO.

Obviuosly the fucking gear is obsolete when a new patch is up, but your fucking numbing mind carebear player haven't got the empathy to think about us, pvp players. You spent your fucking time playing PVE, gearing your fucking jobs during a lot of months, when a new patch is up, you can use that gear to get new ones.

The pvp players, who spent 3-4-5 months to get pvp gear, can't use theirs stuffs in a pvp scenary because carebears like you want play a fucking pvp encounter where no one can't kill you.

Pvp gear and morale is ingame as resillience in wow, because that stat is a reward for people who do pvp, who spent month farming gear, farming seals and farming experience to obtain the best gear at this moment, like a pve player does the high end encounter to get the best gear to defeat more easily the next content.

So, don't say anymore our gear shouldn't even exist because i am starting to think you are a JERK

Oh get over yourself. I played swtor for 3 years almost exclusively pvp and their gear rotation was reset every 4 months (literally, it reset. They would completely remove the old tier 1 gear move the ranked gear down to the tier 1 gear and add a new ranked gear. It's been a two tier system for over two years.) then they added a bolster system which at one point made pve gear on par, and in some cases if manipulated correctly was better than ranked gear. So I know exactly where you are coming from.

But you know what? Reality kicked in and I just realized that I just wanted competitive pvp. All pvp gear did was made me lol whenever I killed some new player from 100-0 without even doing a fuller opener ( case in point the average crit at the time was 6k. I hit some undergeared player in leveling green gear for 14k...He dropped in two globals which in swtor is 1.5s per GCD.) When fighting someone of equal gear the pvp stats are completely nullified. Its completely pointless to have. Progression makes sense in pve. In PvP? Its pointless. It's 100% a negative experience towards new players and veterans are completely normalized in pvp stats so whats the point? I'm not saying there should be zero rewards. Give out vanity gear to show off your rank, or even a mount. Season 1 in swtor had a unique rancor for people who achieved top rank and a unique armor shell as well. That's really all that is needed.

The whole pvp stat is overplayed. I'm past the point of "lol I one shot the newb." So no, I'm not being a troll, I'm just telling you to get over it because mmo's are moving away from the pvp stat. Even WoW is moving away from it taking a note from swtor and creating their own bolster system. Developers are realizing that a pvp stat is not good for pvp, simple as that.

[Edenlys]

Kinda like someone that had their relic in 1.0 and defeated Darnus then had the relic quest change into something that could be done in 2 hours and the white raven earring become a vanity piece. Oh wait that happened but we were okay with it because we knew changing it would bring in NEW players.

I don't play PVP but I will play front lines. Bottom line you assumed ranking up in Wolfes Den(PVP Deathmatch) would carry over to Front lines (PVP objective) and want to throw a fit now that you know it doesn't and all that time spent win trading accounts for nothing.

I'd prefer no PVP in this game period because they had to make gear stats bland as shit in order to accommodate for that aspect of the game.

Try second coil with i55 gear, it's the same, you want pvp, you have to farm exp and gear... I guess, everyone can understand this