Protesting Frontlines

[Rawk]

Yes gear stats capped to i80 and going into PvP naked is totally the same, dat logic and fair point.

It's an extreme statement to show the point that I want to use my pvp gear in Frontlines. Obviously I don't realistically think that being naked is the same as level synced pve gear.

Also I main PvP with DRG, main PvE WHM. Since obtaining pvp gear i have thrown away all pve gear that my DRG had minus it's original AF set. So in reality I don't even have PvE for DRG. Not that i can't spend time in Levi or run the ex modes again to grab a wep, and grind for dungeon gear. It's still a kick in the face. Even if I'm for morale, I'll accept a compromise that allows pvp gear an advantage and useable in frontlines. Technically you can use it, but if it offers a disadvantage then it's a problem. That's why removing morale sucks, because right now there's no mentioning of tweaking pvp gear to make them viable.

[Kantei]

Yeah that is why I said you used it as an example. Either way the advantage provided is minimal.

They can keep morale in, I'm decently geared.

They can take it out, prefer this to make it more about teamwork versus math.

Doesn't really matter to me But the current rule set will lead to the expansion of PvP. And most will prefer it even if they don't understand it at first.

Taking out Morale and leaving in AP still leaves battles balanced. And it takes out gear melting, which leads boring matches.

Everything else is a non-issue for me. Taking morale is 95% of the issue, with AP being barely worth mentioning.

They can change AP to max out everything, and rake away ranks.

That would be fine with me. That's the funny thing about MMO players, they like to compete with each other by playing dress up over actually fighting each other.

The new rules make it less about dress up and more about fighting O.o. I'm not here to get involved in a conversation about AP and morale being an issue. I'm here to tell you the model they chose works O.o.

It takes gear melting out of it, and allows people to learn. Now SE has to figure out how to deal with the other major problem with attracting PvPers, our toxic community :x

[Menriq]

You know, one thing that keeps getting discussed is level playing field, gear sync, etc. However, with FL, I seriously doubt you will see even numbers in battle. By that I mean, you'll see 18 vs 12 at a node, 33 vs 20, etc. I doubt you will see an even number of participants in a battle with each other, which kind of makes this skewed.

[Kantei]

They really aren't. To me this all just seems like making mountains out of molehills, arguing for or against faulty logic, and a bit of masking what your really angry about.

Protest Front lines all you like :P I'll see you guys in there lol.

[zulu_kulu]

They really aren't. To me this all just seems like making mountains out of molehills, arguing for or against faulty logic, and a bit of masking what your really angry about.

Protest Front lines all you like :P I'll see you guys in there lol.

lol seems to me, you have no idea what you are even arguing about. i too am done with you.

also where did i say "im protesting fl"?all i am doing here is responding to other people posts. it seems to me, you the one applying faulty assumptions to things.

i will wait for you to find that post where i am "protesting FL because i secretly mad about morale gear!"

edit in fact my first post on this thread is me saying that petitions doesnt work, so why would i be protesting FL when i think it is a useless venture?

[Kantei]

Zulu not every comment is aimed towards you I'm speaking in general most of the time, about the whole thread lol. Been a bunch of mixed subjects. Most of it BS.

The threads name deals with protesting front lines lol The conversation shifts to supposed variations and name calling anytime someone disagrees with absurd untested speculation lol.

[Cero0]

if pvp gear is useless in frontlines they are the making new gear? ( which is totally stupid) coz Accuracy is totally useless in pvp and Pve gear is full of accuracy or atleast most of it, so u will have to make ur own set in between non Acc coil gear and Non accuracy Crafted gear.... they had months to think about the front line... im not sure if its true that morale wont work or if Accuracy will be 100% useless in front lines also but if they making frontlines like that where accuracy and morale are useless they are not worth my money, coz i thoguht about better ideas in 5 minuts.i STILL trust them, all we can do is continue speculating and wait till erything is comfirmed 100%.


PD:if both stats Accuracy and morale are uselses in front lines SE team would show a lack of intelligence and of ideas, would be a huge mistake.

[Caly]

Anyway you only need between 363 and 372 Accuracy in pvp (except if you are blind by a smn/sch).
Almost every pve gear got accuracy, and pvp got morale, it's hard to find a "BIS" for frontline actually. There is only 3-4 sets "available" and they are almost all useless at some point.

[Rawk]

Regarding accuracy caps, I'd imagine with ilvl sync it won't matter with accuracy.

[Kantei]

If it works, it works. PvP expands, then more changes come later.

The past three months we had to slug through countless posts of how win traders cheated us by getting the status symbols before us! Now it is SE cheating us by taking our status symbols.

Both of which, also affected me as a player. Even being affected by the changes, I rather have a PvP mode that doesn't punish new players by gear melting them and giving them 1/3rd of the winners reward also deters the ones who get left behind from continuing to exp, because the gear melting only gets worse.

All in all, it punishes everyone. Bottlers, cheaters, and legit players.

Most of the suggested fixes here, end up with same result SE already intends to implement. Only harder to explain to the ones who don't PvP.

Both SE's and "Morale boost" negate 6 months of work for the community. It irked me for two days, then I noticed a lot of new names in Wolves Den. When I saw people from my server, I of course asked if they wanted to join a PvP shell, they said Yes.

When I am asked them why they are starting to PvP. The response was front lines. Picked up 12 new members yesterday with a handful of shouts in Mor Dhona, Mist Ward 1, and Wolves Den pier.

All in all, it looks like I need to make a third PvP shell if the trend continues.

This conversation isn't very constructive, and just shows us how pissed most are that they are making PvP less about dress up, and more about teamwork.

This isn't me saying you shouldn't be angry, but lashing out against people who agree with your words, but are against the intent, reason or cause that is making you say those words, isn't going to win anyone over.

Either way, I took the time to read this whole thread. I took what was said, versus what has been said in the past. Looked at the reason why these things are being said now all of a sudden. All in all, it was a huge waste of time.

My involvement in this thread, I consider it a loss lol. Why? Because some how I set Zulu_Kulu off again. Which is a shame, I normally agree with what he means to say, but argue against how he said it. I.E. starts his posts off with "Your wrong", quotes specific lines, and focuses on the one line versus the whole message.

Either way, in PvP, I focus on the people around me. Not the armor and items. I'm not into pathetic positions of power nor faulty status symbols. I'm into the fight itself, and the people I am fighting with/against..

I had fun collecting my i100 pieces with my friends, cross-server rivals, and linkshell mates. Them taking away my armors advantage in a new mode, doesn't negate the fun I had O.o

Either way, this is the entire communities fault. Our toxic lashing out at each other in wolves den, telling people to grind out for 300 hours in 30/40's before they can play with the big boys in 50's.

With this new mode, I don't have to tell newer members of my shell "You can legit 50's PvP with us a few months from now.....when you've earned false progress(morale gear)."

Now I get to say, "Cool come along, there are no needless obstacles to fear in this mode, just focus on learning how to read the flow of battle."

When someone bitches about losing, I flat out get to look at them and say "the other team beat you with skill/knowledge" not "Ohh they had better gear"

The past few pages had people saying the exact same things, but with various people splitting hair A,B, or C. And calling each other wrong over focusing on the smallest matter in the subjects.

If need to know why SE put the kid gloves on for this mode, review this thread and see how our community interacts with each other. Blame SE, then blame botters, then win traders, and then yourself lol.