Thread: Atma changes in 2.3

Originally Posted by Gallus

because if they do people that went through the atma horror story will be butthurt over people having a lot less trouble doing it, and that would be unfair.

This should never, EVER be a developer concern. People who work hard toward a goal in an MMO and convince themselves that there will never be better gear, or there will never be shortcuts added, etc, are deluding themselves. To survive, an MMO HAS to keep pushing forward, offering better and better carrots to keep people playing. At the same time, to prevent the game from becoming inaccessable to new players, older content needs to be made simpler and simpler.

The Atma acquisition system will probably not be changed anytime soon, but it will be made easier eventually. The reward that people who did it the old, harder way get, is that they got their weapon done FIRST. Any MMO player should understand this: For any given item X that took you hundreds of hours or hundreds of failed instances to get, two years down the line item X will be handed to newer players on a silver platter. But don't worry - you'll still have item Z to strive for, and you'll have it to wave in the faces of those item X newbies!

Um... FATES are the fastest way to gain GC seals in the game

Nope. The only ones that will achieve a decent rate are high level "uncapped" FATEs, which you won't get to do for most of your atmas.

You will get seals much faster by spamming Brayflox and picking up all the i70 gear that people inevitably skip while speeding through the dungeon. It doesn't even have to be Brayflox specifically, any level 50 dungeon will drop i55/60/70 gear that a lot of people won't even bother to lot.

I think the drop rates are fine, but I do wish they would increase after your first Atma weapon. I can't see myself doing it again if I decided to main another class.

Originally Posted by Moqi

I think the drop rates are fine, but I do wish they would increase after your first Atma weapon. I can't see myself doing it again if I decided to main another class.

Or making it able to farm it with Atma/Animus/Novus weapons equipped, the higher the upgraded weapon, the higher the chance to drop it. Just not a gamebreaking high chance, just a bit.

Originally Posted by Edeline

Or making it able to farm it with Atma/Animus/Novus weapons equipped, the higher the upgraded weapon, the higher the chance to drop it. Just not a gamebreaking high chance, just a bit.

As long as it doesn't interfere with the drop rates of whatever piece you'll need in future upgrades (ie you can drop an Atma and an Alexandrite at the same time) that would work too. Sometimes I do FATEs just for fun, I wouldn't mind if they dropped something...

Originally Posted by LexSunfire

Never EVER? I think the absolute never ever is incorrect. of course game developers are worried about making players feel like their achievements mean nothing.

That's the whole point, though - believing that their achievements mean nothing is a player attitude, and a faulty one at that. Their achievements DID mean something - for a while after achieving, they were on top of the world. Folks brandishing their ilvl 95 Allagan weapons were, for a time, holding the best weapons in the game. That is meaningful! If any of them believed for an instant that a six-month old game would provide them with the best of the best, period, for ever and ever nothing will be better than this, then that is a problem with those players, not with the developers.

The other sorts of outrage you mentioned are different kinds of outrage. Of course players are going to complain whenever SE makes changes that don't favor them; that's a given, and on occasion the complaints are even valid. The outrage I'm talking about is strictly "I worked hard for the best gear and now it's not the best anymore" outrage. I believe that kind of outrage is unreasonable, and that SE should not bend over to accomodate whiners of that kind.

Originally Posted by Sacred-Oblivion

Regardless of whether or not it SHOULD happen, do you think it WILL?

Considering SE believes in making older content easier when releasing new content, I think it will.

Nope, they said they wouldn't touch this for the time being. Maybe, if 2.4's Zodiac continuation gets to be another pain in the ??? massive grind I can see them easing on the previous grinds so can move on. If 2.4's is actually new, fun, engaging, hard content then I can see them not touching ATMAs or Alexandrites for a longer period of times as this type of content can be completed way faster (Base Relic speed vs Relic Atma/Relic Animus speed).

Why the bards?