Atma changes in 2.3

**LexSunfire** · 06-18-2014 01:22 AM

Originally Posted by LineageRazor

This should never, EVER be a developer concern.

Never EVER? I think the absolute never ever is incorrect. of course game developers are worried about making players feel like their achievements mean nothing. See: outrage of tanks feeling "slapped in the face" because the tank mount didn't take into account previously tanked raids. The outrage was so intense that SE had to make a statement to explain that previously tanked raids didn't count because they weren't keeping track of that data. See also: the forums outrage anytime SE announces that content is going to get nerfed. The outrage of nerfed content gets intense. Of course, SE is going to worry and be concerned about the outrage. As they should be.

Atma farming will get nerfed at some point. Everything in this game does. But it won't be in 2.3 or 2.4 or 2.5. I predict that it won't get nerfed until the entire zodiac quest is released.

On that note, I finally got my gae bolg atma last night. atma farming sucks. but once you finally have all 12 it feels pretty amazing.

**LineageRazor** · 06-19-2014 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by LexSunfire

Never EVER? I think the absolute never ever is incorrect. of course game developers are worried about making players feel like their achievements mean nothing.

That's the whole point, though - believing that their achievements mean nothing is a player attitude, and a faulty one at that. Their achievements DID mean something - for a while after achieving, they were on top of the world. Folks brandishing their ilvl 95 Allagan weapons were, for a time, holding the best weapons in the game. That is meaningful! If any of them believed for an instant that a six-month old game would provide them with the best of the best, period, for ever and ever nothing will be better than this, then that is a problem with those players, not with the developers.

The other sorts of outrage you mentioned are different kinds of outrage. Of course players are going to complain whenever SE makes changes that don't favor them; that's a given, and on occasion the complaints are even valid. The outrage I'm talking about is strictly "I worked hard for the best gear and now it's not the best anymore" outrage. I believe that kind of outrage is unreasonable, and that SE should not bend over to accomodate whiners of that kind.

**DoubleT** · 06-13-2014 05:20 AM

Originally Posted by Avarghaladion

GC/gil gained is atrociously low for the time invested.

Um... FATES are the fastest way to gain GC seals in the game

**Avarghaladion** · 06-13-2014 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by DoubleT

Um... FATES are the fastest way to gain GC seals in the game

This is a little off topic but lolno... A single Expert Provisioning turn in is worth, at minimum, twice as much as the highest lvl FATEs with regards to GC. You can expect to get a lot of drops in a very short time in mythflox, each of which translate to over 800GC a pop... compare this to the 20-200GC you get for fates that can take longer than a single mythflox run. Not to mention submitting standard crafted items to your GC which can, in <10min of work, get you more GC than you can earn in 10hrs of FATE grinding. FATEs are a terrible way to get GC no matter what level you're at because even before you can do Expert Provisioning the GC Hunting Log and Dungeon/Hest rewards cover the gap.

Originally Posted by Elway358

^ this. What you may think is "polite" people are actually most likely some of the most selfish in the game now. Theyre the ones who know that any speck of participation will get them a completion, so they hit a few mobs and run to the next fate expecting others to stick around and finish it for them while they get the benefit.

This could also be seen as a sign that more and more people have caved in and are botting fates.

**Skander** · 06-13-2014 05:12 AM

I don't know if its just been good luck to run into the only 20 or so polite people ever to play the game, but I've seen more atma farmers running up on fate and just killing mobs one by one, not flash/bliz2 spamming... Just playing the game. I dunno about others' opinions, but this has been a huge quality of life improvement for me. Only 15/12 atmas so far, but I'm not really hating it at all. If you want the relic options, get in there and do the content.

**Seryl199** · 06-13-2014 05:44 AM

Originally Posted by Skander

I don't know if its just been good luck to run into the only 20 or so polite people ever to play the game, but I've seen more atma farmers running up on fate and just killing mobs one by one, not flash/bliz2 spamming... Just playing the game. I dunno about others' opinions, but this has been a huge quality of life improvement for me. Only 15/12 atmas so far, but I'm not really hating it at all. If you want the relic options, get in there and do the content.

This is most likely due to the fact that participation is all that matters for atma drops. Getting gold isn't required, just as long as you get in there and whack a few mobs. Spamming comes from the desperate tag race that is more necessary for leveling via fates.

**Elway358** · 06-13-2014 05:49 AM

Originally Posted by Seryl199

This is most likely due to the fact that participation is all that matters for atma drops. Getting gold isn't required, just as long as you get in there and whack a few mobs. Spamming comes from the desperate tag race that is more necessary for leveling via fates.

^ this. What you may think is "polite" people are actually most likely some of the most selfish in the game now. Theyre the ones who know that any speck of participation will get them a completion, so they hit a few mobs and run to the next fate expecting others to stick around and finish it for them while they get the benefit.

**Gextiv** · 06-13-2014 05:15 AM

Should not be changed now thay I've grinded countless hours on 10 atmas.

**Eggnook24** · 06-13-2014 05:20 AM

Think of Atma this way:
It's a great opportunity to spirit bond for materia you'll need.

/runs away

**Elway358** · 06-13-2014 05:23 AM

Originally Posted by Eggnook24

Think of Atma this way:
It's a great opportunity to spirit bond for materia you'll need.

/runs away

/Blunt Arrow to the back of the head...

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