Why all the White Knights?

[Azurymber]

While I completely understand why many of you want to defend this game I don't see how white knighting is productive in any way.

If there are 5 diff threads complaining about dc'ing, why tell people complaining about it they are trolls or just qq'ing. It's obviously an issue that annoys multiple people, and an issue that really shouldn't exist.

If people dislike how the targeting system works with a keyboard why make them sound whiny and claim it works perfectly with your controller. This is a PC game, it's not supposed to need a controller to work.

If people have issues with soloing why tell them to go play a single player game and that MMO's aren't meant for soloing? This game was -SUPPOSED- to be a casual/solo game in the first place. Even for the past month the devs have been pointing that this patch would allow for people to level up solo overtime if they choose too. And if now people are finding that this is not really a possibility, why call them trolls?

If people have problems with jobs being nerfed, why tell them "thats just how MMOs are". This game is already borderline dead, chasing more players away is not a sound strategy. The least the dev team could of done was to post "suggestions" as to how jobs should be used it battle so that people don't think their job has been totally gimped. FFXI lost massive amount of players when jobs like drg and bst got gimped, FFXIV doesn't need to make the same mistakes, and can't afford too. No one wants to spend a month leveling up a job only to find out they have to level up another once since theirs is useless now.

And there are many other valid complaints out there that i see white knights constantly arguing against. I understand -YOU- may like the game. But its clear that MANY people on here are having issues. And calling them trolls or arguing that they are wrong when there are multiple threads being made all sharing the same sentiments seems counterproductive.

If we want this game to succeed, it will need to hold players and attract new players at some point. It's clear this game is having trouble with success and therefore criticisms are justified. And whenever people call those criticizing the game trolls, it just creates a board full of white knights who will defend the game no matter what. And as a result instead of getting things that matter like:
Party invite that works
Auction House
Fixed battle UI
etc. that will attract players to this game.

We will end up getting prettily dressed chocobos, male miquote's, and boring meaningless quests, which will appeal to the few currently in love with the game.

Sadly if this game doesn't get new players SE will probably stop spending money on it and we will never get to experience amazing expansions or anything similar. They will prob keep it active because its an FF title, but never invest to make it great.

So Please, quit the white knighting and quit bashing people posting criticisms. When the game is a success THEN you can bash people criticizing it. But at this time, the game deserves to be criticized, and hopefully it will help the game improve overtime.

[Synthesis]

Don't forget about faction leves icons.

[Sonic_the_Hedgehog]

Why all the Black Knights?

[TheVedis]

Why all the Black Knights?

we want our dark knights!

[Jennestia]

Funny enough, instead of understanding the otherside of the argument, people seem to default to calling them "fanboys" or "white knights" and "defending" simply because they refuse to accept anything else.

If people have issues with soloing why tell them to go play a single player game and that MMO's aren't meant for soloing? This game was -SUPPOSED- to be a casual/solo game in the first place.

False -- It was designed to be casual friendly which the guildleves were supposed to be but it launched with ONLY guildleve content which misconstrued the vision of the game, btw, Square themselves said the original direction wasn't the best idea/a mistake.

Really, did people forget that MMO stands for Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game? If you join an MMO to do nothing but play by yourself, isn't by definition that's the same as playing a single player game? This is why people say "go play a single player offline game", because people generally play MMOs to want to be social.

t just creates a board full of white knights who will defend the game no matter what. And as a result instead of getting things that matter like:
Party invite that works
Auction House
Fixed battle UI
etc. that will attract players to this game.

You're being worse than a "white knight" -- You, as well as anyone else who actually read what the developers write would know their priorty is indeed fixing the battle as well as the interface, which they talk about a lot.

I'm sorry but in all of my time of playing MMORPGs, an Auction House isn't what attracts player to it, people I know who wanted to play TERA and signed up for the JP closed beta didn't join it because of its economy.

"Why all the White Knights" you ask? Why all misconstrued views of the reality of the situation?

[Arlekiel]

The OP speaks the truth

[Sonic_the_Hedgehog]

The OP speaks the truth

He/She/It speaks a false truth. I won't follow a false prophet. Down with the Black Knights!

[Verecund]

Low self esteem, most likely

[SuzakuCMX]

Why all the whiners?

Why do we need 5 threads in one forum to say that someone DC'd? People should post in one thread about it.

They already stated they're going to give a different set-up to Keyboard/Mouse users as opposed to controllers, and saying "HEY GUYS THIS SUCKS AND DOESN'T WORK FOR ME" doesn't tell them anything. If you're going to complain about it, identify what exactly isn't working and give solutions. That goes for all complaints.

The current playerbase probably isn't what SE wants it to be anyways, they're going to need to reach a broader demographic than the masochistic fools fooling themselves into thinking that the game is or was any semblance of a releasable game (it's still in need of a lot of work). It's going to change drastically, and not everyone is going to like that, so of course some people are going to leave. The dev team probably knows that too, but hey, what can you do when players on the EN forums feel that they're entitled to have the game changed exactly for them and not for more players than are currently playing?

[Tigercub]

If there are 5 diff threads complaining about dc'ing, why tell people complaining about it they are trolls or just qq'ing.

This is a legitimate issue and deserves attention.

If people dislike how the targeting system works with a keyboard why make them sound whiny and claim it works perfectly with your controller.

Because it works absolutely fine with a keyboard, too. You just need to set it up right. I play with a keyboard and have no targeting problems whatsoever. If for some weird reason you can't change the controls to a scheme that suits you, then invest in a controller to solve your issue.

If people have issues with soloing why tell them to go play a single player game and that MMO's aren't meant for soloing?

Because there is still plenty of soloable content in the game. Solo is meant to be an option for the busy, not a rival to partying, otherwise there is little point in parties. When the devs say they want solo to be an option, I'm pretty sure they don't mean "you should be able to accomplish just as much alone as you can with some friends".

If people have problems with jobs being nerfed, why tell them "thats just how MMOs are". This game is already borderline dead, chasing more players away is not a sound strategy. No one wants to spend a month leveling up a job only to find out they have to level up another once since theirs is useless now.

Because that's a total dramatization. None of them are useless, they're more in line now with other classes than they ever were.

Many of us have got time and input for problems that have their foundations in something other than flaring emotions, such as the disconnect issue, which is a real issue. Unfortunately, most of the complaints that pass through these forums are just people spitting the dummy, people who have misunderstood something, or just good old fashioned trolls.

I couldn't give a damn about SE as a company. You could accuse me of just about anything other than white knighting. I'm not saying that there are no white knights out there; on the contrary, I'm sure there's plenty. But you need to distinguish between the white knights and the voices of reason.