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    TheRogueX's Avatar
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    Arias Lightbearer
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Monsalvato View Post
    This kinda makes me wonder if the strict standardization they adopted during patch 1.1 and the class reform. Is it really good, or if it can become a negative boundary for developers?
    I'm talking about the 17+5 actions model, which they respected for all classes if we exclude pet actions.
    I think maybe this is too strict of a "rule" that they gave themselves.
    Maybe one class feels perfect with 15+5 (whereas with the current model they'd be forced to "invent" 2 useless actions to reach the number of 17), or maybe another class could kinda get 19, but they can't because of the limit.
    It's the same with job actions. Some might as well feel perfect with 4 whereas some other could use 6 or 7 actions.
    Standardizing stuff is nice, but I wonder if it really won't create issues in the future.

    "trying as much as possible" to give 17+5 to all classes is a thing.
    Making it absolutely mandatory no matter what even without reasons, is another thing, no?
    I think it's rather silly, to be honest. I mean, because of this system they randomly had to give a SONG to ARCHER, since they can't fit it in the 5 from the Bard job (which, let's face it, is forced as it is.. archer -> bard? WTF were you smoking SE?).
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    Last edited by TheRogueX; 06-12-2014 at 07:58 PM. Reason: /1000char

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    Abzoluut Abzoluut
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRogueX View Post
    I think it's rather silly, to be honest. I mean, because of this system they randomly had to give a SONG to ARCHER, since they can't fit it in the 5 from the Bard job (which, let's face it, is forced as it is.. archer -> bard? WTF were you smoking SE?).
    Exactly. I hope we will get an honest answer some day, I doubt it though.

    All is good when they add 2nd jobs to our classes with RNG coming from archer.
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    Aarzak Rskalas
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    Quote Originally Posted by abzoluut View Post
    Exactly. I hope we will get an honest answer some day, I doubt it though.
    We already have the honest answer, I mean, we already know the "truth" that they'll never say.
    They made Archer > Bard because it was more unique and original.
    At the same time they couldn't make it into an hybrid or supporter class because:
    1) They needed a ranged physical DPS
    2) The current system has a very strict implementation of the trinity system (tank/dd/healer), and in such a scenario they couldn't fit a hybrid or a supporter class (realistically they might fit hybrid in the future, but pure supporter will never have a place in FFXIV)

    So you might ask "But why not ranger? They could have done the same with Archer>Ranger". Yes, but they liked the idea of using Bard instead because it seemed less obvious, more fresh and unique. I think it's just that.
    There's still hope in the future if the "Multiple jobs per class" thing becomes a standard, we'll get RNG for ARC and at that point they might completely rehaul BRD and turn it into a hybrid class. (dps/supporter).
    It's not a given but... I seriously hope it's gonna happen.
    (altough it would feel strange to have new jobs for old classes being released and having them instantly at level cap without needing to level them :x)
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