This is not FFXI

[Tharian]

Examples:
- RDM melee crowd in XI
- SMN's complaining about their Egi's in XIV
- People who want XIV DRG's to have wyvern pets

No, people want Red Mage not because it was in Final Fantasy XI, but because it has been in the overarching Final Fantasy series since Final Fantasy ONE!!!! It along with Warrior, Monk, Thief, Black Mage, and White Mage belongs to the original cast of Final Fantasy classes!!!

As for Summoners... I must be one of the few Summoners who doesn't want the Egi's to look like the Primals. I understand the design choice, and accept it for what it is. I would honestly be rather pissed if we ended up with actual clones of the Primals because I would feel that is against the Lore of the Game.

As for the Wyvern thing. I have to admit, I kind of do miss seeing Dragoons running around with they baby Dragons. But that is just me.

[Tarushade]

I rather have XIV compared to XI then compared to WoW.

I wish I could hit the like button for this comment at least once a day. Nicely put !!!

[blowfin]

No, people want Red Mage not because it was in Final Fantasy XI, but because it has been in the overarching Final Fantasy series since Final Fantasy ONE!!!!

I'm not talking about people wanting RDM in this game. I'm talking about people wanting XI RDM to be something it wasn't. People held a grudge for years and years that it wasn't the master fencer and magic user they'd remembered from previous games. No doubt if/when we get it in XIV, people will complain that it doesn't fit their idea of what a RDM should be too.

As for Summoners... I must be one of the few Summoners who doesn't want the Egi's to look like the Primals. I understand the design choice, and accept it for what it is. I would honestly be rather pissed if we ended up with actual clones of the Primals because I would feel that is against the Lore of the Game.

Yes but people don't often consider the legit reasons that things are the way they are. People are generally quicker to say that the "Devs are lazy" (in the case of SMN pets) or SE are "ignoring their playerbase". Both of which are pretty insipid discussions to have. I dunno, it bothers me, even though I should be used to it after seeing the inane complaints people had through 8 years of XI.

[Garlyle]

To be brutally honest... Ninja in Final Fantasy XI was originally planned by the Development Team to be a DPS Class. The problem, and reason why it was regarded as a Tank was because the Devs decided to give Ninja the broken-est version of the Blink-Spell they possibly could, and allowed the players to give Ninja access to the Warrior's Provoke Command via Sub-Classing. That is the only reason it could tank. Otherwise it was really just a really bad DPS class.

Yup. Ninjas have been able to 'tank' in a couple FF games - V had !Image, XI had its shit, Bravely Default's Utsusemi negates like 70% of the attacks in the game which makes it absolutely stupid. But I've said it before and will repeat it forward - these were by and large accidents as opposed to deliberate design, and XIV is extremely deliberate in its design.

[Renik]

Ppl is comparing ARR to ffxi because it's the only previous ff MMO, if we compare jobs we will use any ff title with a job system to comparison, if we compare content we will use ffxi, and you should be grateful, because most ffxi haters just hate it for its combat not for it's content, if thank to those comparisons we can get half of the content variety ffxi had, this game will be almost perfect.

About ninja tank, i used ninja as tank in ffv before ffxi existed, so i don't think its just a ffxi thing, ninja has been a good tank in almost every ff, it had shadows or high evasion.

[Rakashu]

To be fair, this game is in sore need of more tank and healer jobs, and is already over-saturated with DPS. It's not about something being in XI, it's about XIV needing something they should have added first.



People wanted Ninja to be a tank because we need tanks, not because they honestly expected it to be a tank.

People want ninja to be a tank, because like you and apparently a large majority of every one else, you assume that there is a problem with our current amount of tanks. You also apparently believe that adding a new tank class is going to magically fix all the problems. Do you honestly believe that the reason that people aren't playing tanks is because they don't like the class choices? No, they don't like playing tanks because its an often times stressful and boring job.

Adding a new tank class fixes NOTHING. Get this through your head.

[Sparky]

To be fair, this game is in sore need of more tank and healer jobs, and is already over-saturated with DPS. It's not about something being in XI, it's about XIV needing something they should have added first.



People wanted Ninja to be a tank because we need tanks, not because they honestly expected it to be a tank.

The game isn't in sore need of more tank or healer jobs at all. The game is in need of people who want to play those job types, and more jobs isn't going to change that.

[Garlyle]

About ninja tank, i used ninja as tank in ffv before ffxi existed, so i don't think its just a ffxi thing, ninja has been a good tank in almost every ff, it had shadows or high evasion.

I can think of far better defensive options than Ninjas - either from natural stats, abilities (Knight with !Guard literally nullifying some bosses from ever doing anything; !White let you apply images, Protect, Shell, AND Reflect to anyone you wanted, etc.), or simply classes with better equipment choices (Aegis Shield, or mini + Genji shield leaving a character permanently physical immune due to 100% evade). There's also very few things in the game that relied on only physical attacks or were even threatening because of that... but yes, there were times where it could do some silly stuff (which is every class in V).

V Ninjas were far, far more notable as a (mostly) physical damage output class due to dual-wielding and certain oddities or synergies specific to !Throw. !Image was a lesser perk, as opposed to XI, where the equivalent ability happened to become basically a defining feature of the class that completely changed what it meant to 'tank' in XI.

[Yzuna]

I'm so tired of people crying everytime someone mentions FFXI here.

It was a great game, and some of it's features would be nice ti have in ARR.

Do people want for ARR to be FFXI ? I don't think so, otherwise they'll be playing FFXI right now.
Do people want stuff from FFXI to be in ARR ? Hell yes (hello Sky, Sea, ZNM, Nyzul Isle and most of all, a dangerous world that is actually interesting to travel to)

And, nin tank was interesting because it was an entirely different tanking style than pld.
And we need that, because the way pld and war tank is pretty much the same.

But i'm fine with nin being dps, since it was like that in every Final Fantasy beside FFXI (even if it also should have been a dps)

[Lucke]

Ninja are the complete opposite of tanks, they move in the shadows, and aren't meant to fight toe-to-toe. That's samurai.

Anywho, I think SE designed RDM to be a hybrid. A mix between a melee and mage. Instead, the players turned it into a piss-poor healer and Refresh bot. Same thing with NIN. SE designed NIN to be a DPS with elemental Debuffs, instead the players decided to make it a piss-poor tank.

SE must have learned from this and said "Ok players, you WILL play this class/job the way we designed it. There will be no tanking abilities at all for NIN this time HAR HAR HAR". In fact, since NIN is based off ROG, I'd even go so far as to say ROG will have some enmity shedding abilities that will be passed on to the NIN, further cementing the fact that they did not design NIN to be a tank this time around.