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    This is not FFXI

    I cannot be the only one who is tired of people saying "give me this because i liked it in FFXI" or "nin was tank in FFXI, so will be tank here" (followed by tears when it is DPS). I'm getting really tired of the comparison between the two. I didn't get mad when my Monk couldn't use suplex, but Sabin from FFVI was a Monk and had suplex. It's a different game with a different engine and different feel. The characters and classes are different, so can we PLEASE stop using XI as a basis for how this game should/will develop?
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    To be fair, this game is in sore need of more tank and healer jobs, and is already over-saturated with DPS. It's not about something being in XI, it's about XIV needing something they should have added first.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravarashi View Post
    Right, I'd love Samurai tank right now. That's not the complaint I have. We do need a new tank, but it was never going to be ninja
    People wanted Ninja to be a tank because we need tanks, not because they honestly expected it to be a tank.
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    Last edited by Kiroh; 06-12-2014 at 03:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiroh View Post
    To be fair, this game is in sore need of more tank and healer jobs, and is already over-saturated with DPS. It's not about something being in XI, it's about XIV needing something they should have added first.
    True

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiroh View Post
    People wanted Ninja to be a tank because we need tanks, not because they honestly expected it to be a tank.
    Not true.
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    Until now there have been mainly two means of progression: the first being defeating powerful enemies in end-game content to obtain high-item-level equipment, and the second being collecting Allagan tomestones to purchase gear. The Zodiac Weapons do not have the restrictions of these two methods, but are designed to take a long time to complete.
    Current Tome Requirements for Zodiac Weapons:
    225+900+13500+1500= 16125
    Additionally: Post limits are, flat-out, completely idiotic. 1k char limit's stupid to begin with but 20 posts a day? Seriously? What the hell SE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiroh View Post
    To be fair, this game is in sore need of more tank and healer jobs, and is already over-saturated with DPS. It's not about something being in XI, it's about XIV needing something they should have added first.



    People wanted Ninja to be a tank because we need tanks, not because they honestly expected it to be a tank.
    People want ninja to be a tank, because like you and apparently a large majority of every one else, you assume that there is a problem with our current amount of tanks. You also apparently believe that adding a new tank class is going to magically fix all the problems. Do you honestly believe that the reason that people aren't playing tanks is because they don't like the class choices? No, they don't like playing tanks because its an often times stressful and boring job.

    Adding a new tank class fixes NOTHING. Get this through your head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakashu View Post
    People want ninja to be a tank, because like you and apparently a large majority of every one else, you assume that there is a problem with our current amount of tanks. You also apparently believe that adding a new tank class is going to magically fix all the problems. Do you honestly believe that the reason that people aren't playing tanks is because they don't like the class choices? No, they don't like playing tanks because its an often times stressful and boring job.

    Adding a new tank class fixes NOTHING. Get this through your head.
    Tanks : PLD, WAR
    Healers : WHM, SCH
    DPS : BRD, DRG, MNK, BLM, SMN

    For every 1 tank and 1 healer role there are 1 and a half dps roles. Meaning even if every class was played in equivalent amounts, every 2 light partiess, and every full party would leave one dps short a group. By sheer numbers this game does, in fact, NEED more tank and healer jobs.

    Also, yes more people play dps roles as you pointed out. So the solution to that is...piling more dps roles on top of it?

    Adding a new dps class fixes NOTHING either. Get that through your head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiroh View Post

    For every 1 tank and 1 healer role there are 1 and a half dps roles. Meaning even if every class was played in equivalent amounts, every 2 light partiess, and every full party would leave one dps short a group. By sheer numbers this game does, in fact, NEED more tank and healer jobs.


    Adding new tank and healer classes would only diversify the tank and healer pool, not increase the number of people who play them.

    Case in point, lots of people wanted to play warrior! Then warrior was revealed to be a tank, and a good portion of those people said "eeeeehhhh nevermind"

    The majority of people who play mmos play dps and dps only, adding new tank and healer jobs wont change that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moheeheeko View Post
    The majority of people who play mmos play dps and dps only, adding new tank and healer jobs wont change that.
    And the majority of people who play dps and dps only are usually terrible at being a dps. I've found in this game (probably true for others aswel) that the best players are ones who are able to play anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiroh View Post
    To be fair, this game is in sore need of more tank and healer jobs, and is already over-saturated with DPS. It's not about something being in XI, it's about XIV needing something they should have added first.



    People wanted Ninja to be a tank because we need tanks, not because they honestly expected it to be a tank.
    The game isn't in sore need of more tank or healer jobs at all. The game is in need of people who want to play those job types, and more jobs isn't going to change that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiroh View Post
    To be fair, this game is in sore need of more tank and healer jobs, and is already over-saturated with DPS. It's not about something being in XI, it's about XIV needing something they should have added first.
    Do people really belief that more tank classes change the ratio of players playing tank after the first week?
    Players who love DPS more than tanks would still play DPS
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    Last edited by Felis; 06-12-2014 at 09:59 PM.

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    Right, I'd love Samurai tank right now. That's not the complaint I have. We do need a new tank, but it was never going to be ninja
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