Consern regarding Brutal Mode

[Velo_Vandore]

I agree SarcasmMisser, there doesn't need to be any incentive or reward for hard content. For those players the incentive is the challenge itself. The title is plenty as token of pride for them. Best of luck to any who'll be taking on this challenge!! It's very exciting and I'll enjoy watching streams / vids of brutal mode since I don't think I'll be able to participate myself (maybe someday >_<).

[Andres_Lonegrief]

Different rewards might result in not skilled / properly trained players to join a party of hardcore and messing up with them. Brutal Coil as it is now really looks like something designed for only hardcore players and I'm happy with this. It's sounds like now every kind of player will have something that matches his need

1.normal end content / main quest story etc for everyone;
2.Primals EX (and actually I can't think of anything else now) for players who might enjoy a more challenging content
3.Brutal coil for all the hardcore gamers out there ...

Having no special bonuses doesn't make you feel like you are "supposed" to clear it, so it's somehow different from the Primal EX.

Just my two cents on this.

[Radacci]

If it was human nature to take the path of least resistance, humanity wouldn't have moved out of Africa.
People wouldn't be working-out, or climbing mountains.

People aren't going to skip brutal, cause it's the most resistance. They ARE going to do brutal, BECAUSE it offers the most resistance, because they find normal-mode, to easy and boring.

[AmyNeudaiz]

If it was human nature to take the path of least resistance, humanity wouldn't have moved out of Africa.
People wouldn't be working-out, or climbing mountains.

People aren't going to skip brutal, cause it's the most resistance. They ARE going to do brutal, BECAUSE it offers the most resistance, because they find normal-mode, to easy and boring.

I'm not going to argue here how wrong that first statement is, but allow me to make a point.
Why do people do Brayflox spam instead of spamming Amdapor Township? It's shorter. It's easier. Path of least resistance. Brutal Mode while maybe initially will have interest, once people get over the "it's new" a week later, a vast majority won't even try to clear it anymore.

I'm not trying to be a concern troll, I legitimately want hard content like Brutal Mode. But I really think offering no reward for completion will skew this "test" and doom our chances. Some silly minion is a fair reward, wouldn't you think?

Because they are aiming for the item and myth and not doing it for the challenge!

And how is that not taking the path of least resistance?

[Nekodar]

If not enough people steps up to the challenge, it will only prove that the people complaining the game is too easy is such a minority that they can safely be ignored going forward.

If you've completed T9 and feel like taking on a challenge rather than just collect loot, go for it. Show that it's the challenge you want. That a title to show off is enough reward.

[Radacci]

I'm not going to argue here how wrong that first statement is, but allow me to make a point.
Why do people do Brayflox spam instead of spamming Amdapor Township? It's shorter. It's easier. Path of least resistance. Brutal Mode while maybe initially will have interest, once people get over the "it's new" a week later, a vast majority won't even try to clear it anymore.

I'm not trying to be a concern troll, I legitimately want hard content like Brutal Mode. But I really think offering no reward for completion will skew this "test" and doom our chances. Some silly minion is a fair reward, wouldn't you think?

you're talking about 2 completely different things.
ppl are spamming bray SR, because you need absurd amount of myth tomes, for animus, and mysterious maps. so obviously they want to minimize the time it takes to *farm* it.
the purpose of going to brayHM, is getting myth/sol tomes, maybe some vanity gear, and mats.
The purpose of doing Brutal-Mode content, is only for the achievement. It's like getting luminary tools. there's no value whatsoever in having them, it's just for the achievement/vanity. I don't think anyone cares about luminary tools, aside from having it as a badge of honor. You dont get them for the tool itself, because you can get blue tools, that are as good, really easy...
If i got some vanity armor set/wep, that would be awesome bonus, but it wouldn't motivate me to clear it, if i didn't enjoy the challenge, to begin with.
In KH for example, i would try to unlock coliseum, and Sephiroth fight, as quickly as possible, with as low lv as possible. So i got there at lv 45-50, and i would equip only starter wep or something, and make it as difficult as i could. I had already cleared it before, so there was no incentive whatsoever to do it again, aside from testing my skill. I could sit there for hours and fight, for the challenge alone.
I couldn't care less about some *silly minion* i would probably just throw it away. like i would have with shantotto, if it had been possible. it still annoys me i cant get rid of it -.-

No, they won't. Just like don't do T2 normal mode anymore or they don't remove echo buff from coil or primals.

if it was just me, i wouldn't enrage T2, and i would remove echo buff.
but it's not just me, ppl are bitching at me for not using food, and they would go bananas if i removed echo buff.
because obviously the entire success rate of *stuff* depends on me using food. If we wipe, it would ofc be my fault for removing echo buff (cause ppl dont want to admit they suck, and rather blame it on someone else)

[Enepttastic]

if it was just me, i wouldn't enrage T2, and i would remove echo buff.
but it's not just me, ppl are bitching at me for not using food, and they would go bananas if i removed echo buff.
because obviously the entire success rate of *stuff* depends on me using food. If we wipe, it would ofc be my fault for removing echo buff (cause ppl dont want to admit they suck, and rather blame it on someone else)

I have a similar mindset but what really made me respond is finding out that people actually use combat food. I think I can count on one hand how many times I've seen someone use food in a party, that includes during "progression" parties in PF.

[Radacci]

I have a similar mindset but what really made me respond is finding out that people actually use combat food. I think I can count on one hand how many times I've seen someone use food in a party, that includes during "progression" parties in PF.

actually they spend all their money on buying food, and insist on that i use food too...i usually dont, despite their nagging
i usually say: if you need food to clear content, you're doing it wrong. If you're doing it right, you don't need food.
If you don't know what you're doing, you'll wipe even with 25% echo buff....food certainly isn't going to make a difference.
If you know what you're doing, food is still not going to make any difference.
so bottom line, it's totally pointless.
Only food worth mentioning, is DoL/DoH, and possibly acc food.

[Seif]

If it was human nature to take the path of least resistance, humanity wouldn't have moved out of Africa.
People wouldn't be working-out, or climbing mountains.

People aren't going to skip brutal, cause it's the most resistance. They ARE going to do brutal, BECAUSE it offers the most resistance, because they find normal-mode, to easy and boring.

As a long distance runner, gamer and a concept artist I can second that. Everything worth doing in life is kind of hard and success IS the reward.
Did anyone diss XI quests because they did not give loot nor xp most of the time?
No. Everyone did them just because completion felt rewarding by itself.

[Menriq]

I know our group will be going for the title. After the 1st time of clearing it all, I doubt we would do it again though since there is no benefit. I'm ok with the reward just being a title, but I wouldn't expect groups that have been farming this for weeks now to now farm this new mode each week after clearing it once since there really is no benefit, unless they intend to sell the clears (if that's their thing).