NINJA and ROGUE confirmed

[LoLo]

1000 character limit and an incomplete sentence. You should of waited for the edit(like this one did) after seeing the sentence just stop like that. Only reason I reposted the notes was because I assumed you wanted more info or a source or something. So I looked up the notes.

There is no time stamp that matches my current time on posts so its impossible to know when you posted or to know that you plan to continue adding to your post. smh Right now it is 8 pm but the forums have the time as something else.

All jobs have no problem progressing in end game. Just because you weren't the first choice doesn't mean you were excluded out of ever progressing. It isn't anything compared to how FFXI was and I really questions someone's skill in their job if they keep saying people won't invite them to party.

I never got kicked or the party disband when they found out I was in the party as a Monk. So I question a persons skill if they couldn't get a party in 2.0-2.1.

[Jynx]

There is no time stamp on posts

Correct me if I'm mistaken but there IS a time stamp on posts it's right above your name. You posted at 6:42PM (My timezone of course)

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There should also be a timestamp on when you edited your post. 2 minutes after you posted the above message to be precise.

[Cynric]

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All jobs at this present date and time have no problem. But it's not like there never was a problem at all or can't happen again. Deny it all you want. Also you said you found parties that were nice. That's good for you. I did too, but not all melee were so lucky. Some rolled Bards just to be able to play.
I already said i got lucky and found a group to play with. This isn't about me. But it's a fact it originally was hard for melee to find a party. I don't need you to back me up when you can go look at the early monk forum posts and see for yourself and so can anyone else if they so wished. Other's experienced it and don't need to look back at it. I only dealt with it for a week or two, others.. well they had worse times.

Partying in FF14 has nothing to do with ffXI I don't really see the point in bringing it up.

There was no first or last choice just play a bard and easily get a party.Plenty of groups on hyperion the world you're on right now did Full range, No melee, PLD/PLD,WHM/WHM, all the time. Some even still do.(This one is kinda weird) the ones that still do are easy to tell. They have no melee slots in their PF. Back then they just barely shouted for melee DPS pre patch. This is all fact. There's no opinion behind it. I don't know how you never noticed in between shouts and such. Even if it never happened to you it should of been clearly visible.

Garuda EX even had threads on this same forum just about not being able to get in parties as a melee. But that's a different story. It's still class segregation.

Also yes all posts have a timestamp. In order for it to be correct time you have to change your timezone in the settings. I'm not sure what the default is anymore.

edit: Top right of page settings > General settings and you can edit timezone and dst settings

[Moheeheeko]

And before anyone asks, no, I do not want to see Lara Croft in Eorzea.

>_>

[LoLo]

Correct me if I'm mistaken but there IS a time stamp on posts it's right above your name. You posted at 6:42PM (My timezone of course)

*Edit*
There should also be a timestamp on when you edited your post. 2 minutes after you posted the above message to be precise.

As I wrote in the same post, the time is not the actual time I have where I live so I can't not use that to even know when to no reply to someones post. I find it crazy that I am suppose to predict what someone is going to do before they do it on a online forum lol.

[LoLo]

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My settings are on the right time zone and it is still incorrect. None of this matters, dont expect me to hold off replying because you expect me to read your mind and know you are going to edit your post. You can just end any talk about that right now.

Like I said several times before. If you can't progress in this game its not because of they systems put in place or your job choice. It is because you are not skilled enough to complete the content correctly on your job choice. If you do not know how to play your job, dont blame the people who refuse to invite a bad player into their party.

At this point the thread is off topic because people want to type essays about the so-called prevention from people playing Monk in end game. The reality is that these people didn't know how to play Monk effectively to be an asset to their parties.

[Jynx]

I find it crazy that I am suppose to predict what someone is going to do before they do it on a online forum lol.

Not a single person asked you to do that. I'm sure your more than capable of being able to add/subtract time to make a incorrect timestamp make sense...or set the forums to the correct time zone.

I think your getting a bit defensive, I've only pointed out that your original statements that there was no time stamp (Or timestamp on edits) was false.

Besides the point, your correct that you don't need to wait for another person to post before you reply once they hit submit wether they think the post is complete it's readable for whatever period of time until they edit the post. But really this has gone a bit off the rails on the subject of Rogue and Ninja hasn't it?

[LoLo]

Not a single person asked you to do that.

Well is Cynric considered a person? He expected me to know that I needed to wait for his edit.

You should of waited for the edit(like this one did) after seeing the sentence just stop like that. .

Nope, I'm not going to "add/subtract time to make a incorrect timestamp make sense" before I reply to a post because it is not a requirement on these forums to do so.

[Reynhart]

That's why I mentioned several other elements that would have a hand in that. If you have 6 bosses in a 24-man dungeon where 3 punish melee and 3 punish range, you have reason to bring a balanced comp. The principle that justifies the presence of a second/third tank does apply to the other roles.

That would be horrible for alliance build with the Duty Finder. Pretty much like Ifrit Hard when people left because the party couldn't use the caster LB.
And since they remove elemental resistance to no "punish" anyone, I don't see them doing something as definitive.

Because Arcanist branches into a DPS and Healer people seem to jump to the conclusion that it has to be that way with every class but it really doesn't, it would be nice if most classes could end up that way as it would really help queue times I think, but SE shouldn't try to force jobs that won't work onto classes just to try and make sure every class can fill 2 different roles.

Since most skills comes from classes, the two jobs would probably play almost the same. I don't see the point in doing two jobs that fills the same role and play the same. For example, if I want to tank as a Gladiator related job, I'll go for PLD, I don't need a second tank.

[Cynric]

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Monk was only one of the examples I used that you personally decided to pick with and once again, You can't show skill if you can't get in a party to show said skill. I don't really know what skill will do for people who shout for BLM or BRD when they already have one or leave in DF before anyone even plays. But either way yes this has gotten off topic.

That would be horrible for alliance build with the Duty Finder. Pretty much like Ifrit Hard when people left because the party couldn't use the caster LB.
And since they remove elemental resistance to no "punish" anyone, I don't see them doing something as definitive.

Since most skills comes from classes, the two jobs would probably play almost the same. I don't see the point in doing two jobs that fills the same role and play the same. For example, if I want to tank as a Gladiator related job, I'll go for PLD, I don't need a second tank.

I feel like the way our class system works is a bit limiting at times . I think thats really part of the problem. If you have two DPS on one class it's hard to see them playing much different, and i'd rather see a whole new class built for them. But with the actual usefulness of using a class is that even really worth it? Maybe they'll try something different at some point with the skills.