NINJA and ROGUE confirmed

[rwyan]

It was only mentioned that the class was not called "Thief" because of lore conflicts. Simply, none of the cities would want to support a guild that encouraged things like stealing.

However, that does not mean we won't see a Thief job. Jobs don't have guilds and they are independent of the cities. I'm sure some of those reformed thieves won't stay reformed for long

[Jacost]

I've just realized. Rogues, being based in Limsa, are basically pirates, right? And they upgrade into Ninjas?

I think we know which side Yoshi's taken in the Pirate/Ninja war...

[LoLo]

It was only mentioned that the class was not called "Thief" because of lore conflicts. Simply, none of the cities would want to support a guild that encouraged things like stealing.

However, that does not mean we won't see a Thief job. Jobs don't have guilds and they are independent of the cities. I'm sure some of those reformed thieves won't stay reformed for long

My subscription ends in two days so I hope the rest of E3 is better because its kind of hard to be motivated to renew knowing there is no Thief Job. I gave up on wishing for open world content...but no Thief Job? Welp.

There is no point in playing a job I'm not interested in when I will have to devote unholy amounts of real life time farming my relic all the way up to the best form. XD!

[Flowen_Shiva]

My subscription ends in two days so I hope the rest of E3 is better because its kind of hard to be motivated to renew knowing there is no Thief Job. I gave up on wishing for open world content...but no Thief Job? Welp.

There is no point in playing a job I'm not interested in when I will have to devote unholy amounts of real life time farming my relic all the way up to the best form. XD!

Don't worry LoLo, people have taken what was said out of context and made assumptions. Thief will be a second job for rogue down the line.

[Reynhart]

Ok, now for something else.
Let's assume they didn't say "It's like a Thief", "you'll have the feeling than they came from thieves"...

What would a THF job offer ? Rogue is a DPS class, NIN is a DPS job. You want another DPS job from the same class ?
Stealth skills will be available for Rogues already, and all Thief usual assets (Evasion boost, Increased movement speed...) will also be Rogue's, since job don't have traits.

So basically...you want Thief for the name only ?

[Reynhart]

Don't worry LoLo, people have taken what was said out of context and made assumptions. Thief will be a second job for rogue down the line.

Wow, you seem pretty sure of yourself with no evidence whatsoever.

[Grizzlebeard]

By your explanation, MNK/NIN should have been a tank.
Enmity generating ability : Boost (Check)
Mitigation skills : B+ Evasion, A- Guard, Utsusemi from /NIN (Check)

I wonder why we haven't seen that more

All jobs were capable of a limited ability to tank once they were able to utilise Utsusemi: Ni in addition to Ichi, however, they'd not last too long because they lacked the inherent defensive skills of Evasion/Parry at a satisfactory level in addition to having gear (unless they chose to have an evasion set) that supported that role. Ninja gear in general contained Evasion/Parry/Enmity bonuses and the later gear also added +1 shadow on Ichi and Ni casts yielding 4 and 5 shadows respectively as opposed to the 3 and 4 originally (3 for Ni if subbed by any other job).

Additionally, you're conveniently forgetting the original point of those defensive abilities have to be backed up by solid Enmity generation where Monk, Corsair, and Puppermaster fall short. I'll give you Thief because people have successfully used it to tank content such as mini-bosses in Sky with full evasion sets but it generally lacks the gear to support such a role without sacrificing it's primary DD role.

[Flowen_Shiva]

Ok, now for something else.
Let's assume they didn't say "It's like a Thief", "you'll have the feeling than they came from thieves"...

What would a THF job offer ? Rogue is a DPS class, NIN is a DPS job. You want another DPS job from the same class ?
Stealth skills will be available for Rogues already, and all Thief usual assets (Evasion boost, Increased movement speed...) will also be Rogue's, since job don't have traits.

So basically...you want Thief for the name only ?

They have already said hybrid roles will be introduced. Thief could easily fill that spot by increasing drop rates (eg mirrors), managing enmity and job specific debuffs such as the ability to steal buffs from targets (aura steal in 11). Stealth skills yes, but Thief is about increasing access to gil and treasure too. Didn't seem to be any mention of those skills for rogue.

[Flowen_Shiva]

Wow, you seem pretty sure of yourself with no evidence whatsoever.

Given the fact thief has appeared in pretty much every final fantasy title, it was mentioned rogues originated from thieves, rogues seem to have everything you would expect from a thief with the exception of thief specific abilities (steal, treasure hunter) and that the game uses a FF14 specific class that progresses to a traditional FF job, I would call it an educated guess said with confidence.

[Nalien]

What would a THF job offer ?

Steal.
Buff/Stats Stealing.
Enmity management.

It could effectively be exactly the same as Bard; a semi-support Job. Bard restores MP/TP when people are low, and increases magic damage. Thief could remove enmity when DPS/Healers pull hate, and increasing physical damage.

They could even go the FFX route and make a Thief/Chemist hybrid. You "Steal" items from mobs which go in a special inventory system, and then you can Mix them for various effects. Go through a dungeon Stealing off everything, then Mix those items together when you get to the boss. Rouge is already set to use poisons; Ninja uses poisons, Thief makes potions. DPS/Healer.

Everyone is OK with a subpar Bard at this point, no real reason they can't give Thief the same treatment. Heck, just make it another DPS, why can't one Class have two Jobs that fill the same role? Make it so Steal is used on party members; Dragoon just used Blood for Blood? I'll Steal (though really copy) that, basically a mix between Mime and Thief.