NINJA and ROGUE confirmed

[Lithera]

Why would the class and job have different weapons... looks like some form of dagger and then katanas...

I would surmise the katanas are NIN relic.

[Ran1880]

Where is my GUNNER -_______-

I'm also a little dissapointed ;_;

[Themis]

Where is my GUNNER -_______-

SE never gives away everything in one go. The PR guy won't let them.

Don't forget that new classes aren't coming until 2.4. Before then, we'll have new Live Letters, and Gamescom is in August (the month before 2.4 is due). There is plenty of time.

Just like adding Thief could be Ninja'd into the game come patch day.

[Ulathskullsplitter]

I didn't get to watch the stream but something I have not seen anyone mention yet is where this rogue guild is going to be. Did they say in the live stream? Of the existing cities LL makes the most sense since it still has less guilds than the other 2 cities. But that's only because the musketeers guild isn't being used yet. If they add it to mor dhona that would make it impossible to have it as a starting class for new players.

[Bigpurpleharness]

I didn't get to watch the stream but something I have not seen anyone mention yet is where this rogue guild is going to be. Did they say in the live stream? Of the existing cities LL makes the most sense since it still has less guilds than the other 2 cities. But that's only because the musketeers guild isn't being used yet. If they add it to mor dhona that would make it impossible to have it as a starting class for new players.

Given Limsa is full of sea-thieves, and Thancred and the Doman are being told to instruct the city in their forms of combat in the main story quest, I'd bet Limsa.

[Scott]

Pretty sad its Rogue > Ninja.

I was hoping for a dual Job like Arcanist

Rogue > Ninja > Thief

[Kitru]

Yep, does not hold them from adding "pure" THF as well. There can also be RNG beside BRD under ARC. After all THF is a Job and they did not use classical Job Names as Classes.

It amazes me how much people are willing to ignore to preserve their own viewpoints in the face of an overwhelming amount of evidence to the contrary.

Yoshi explained why it wasn't named THF, and it had absolutely nothing to do with THF being a job, historically. The base class is being called "Rogue" because "Thief" doesn't work as the name of a heroic class/job in the framework of the world. It doesn't work as a heroic class/job because it is a *petty* profession (his own words).

There is no possible interpretation of what Yoshi has said that even remotely suggests that we will ever get THF and, in fact, everything Yoshi has said on the subject would support the entire *opposite* conclusion.

The only reason that you guys still think that there's even the remotest chance we're going to get THF as a job is because he has not simply come out and said "you're not getting thief so just shut up about it", which he's not going to because it's looking for a very explicit answer (that, since it's basically going to be saying "no, you already have ROG", would force him to evade it because no dev team is ever going to simply say outright "no, you're not getting this"). There only evidence you have is negative (e.g. stuff he hasn't said), and you're ignoring all of the positive evidence (e.g. he *has* said this).

At this point, you're straining to hold on to the faintest hopes and acting as if it's solid evidence. Seriously, just give up on it.

[Lithera]

SE never gives away everything in one go. The PR guy won't let them.

Don't forget that new classes aren't coming until 2.4. Before then, we'll have new Live Letters, and Gamescom is in August (the month before 2.4 is due). There is plenty of time.

Just like adding Thief could be Ninja'd into the game come patch day.

Yah take note of the comment in the stream regarding them getting the evil eye from the PR guy lol

[MartaDemireux]

He said they stopped being thieves. It's not as if thievery is some kind of ancient tradecraft and basically said that it's not a heroic pursuit (not to mention pointing out that it has to fit within the story of the world). For all intents and purposes, he has said "nope, THF ain't happening".

The base class is being called "Rogue" because "Thief" doesn't work as the name of a heroic class/job in the framework of the world. It doesn't work as a heroic class/job because it is a *petty* profession (his own words).

He did NOT call the profession petty but simply said that if you were to think of a thieves guild you would think of petty thievery. He's basically saying Rogue has a more substantial name because they're rogues not just focusing on thievery but also in poisons and stealth attacks. He also said nothing of heroism. In fact he mentioned having stealth and attacks only executable while the effect is active which is not very "heroic" at all.

Re-watching the part right now:

"It's like a thief. I mean you have the classes in FFXIV, they fit in with the story each class has their own guild and their own history. And so when we're thinking of creating a new class and a class that would have its own guild you think thieves and that's more like petty thievery and you want something a little bit more solid. So the story-wise this new rogue class - they were once thieves and they over the years have evolved into this rogue class with their own guild and they'll have their own story and background. ... But again they do have that thief history so we wanna make sure that in the lore and in the story that you have that feeling that they came up from thieves. "

This means that during the Rogue story line we will learn that they are like thieves but different. Absolutely no reason why they cannot learn old techniques through a job master that resented the change into rogues.

SE never gives away everything in one go. The PR guy won't let them.

Don't forget that new classes aren't coming until 2.4. Before then, we'll have new Live Letters, and Gamescom is in August (the month before 2.4 is due). There is plenty of time.

Just like adding Thief could be Ninja'd into the game come patch day.

Exactly! Just like back when SE told us about ACN and SMN and everyone thought that was it. Then we found out about SCH and everyone was really surprised.

[Kitru]

I was hoping for a dual Job like Arcanist

Rogue > Ninja > Thief

And how exactly would THF work as a job that's complimentary to NIN? Jobs only get 5 abilities, and it's pretty simple logic to realize that they're not going to have 2 jobs (whether from the same class or from different ones) that play almost identically, which, thanks to the number of job abilities provided (and the fact that they're provided at 30, 35, 40, 45, and 50) can't happen with 2 jobs of the same role off of the same class (unless you have the job change so many abilities from the base class that it becomes a completely *different* class, which beggars the question of why they didn't just design a new class altogether).

Yoshi has said that NIN is going to be DPS because having it as a tank is ludicrous which means that THF would have to be DPS. He has also said that they're only going to add jobs that fulfill a currently vacant niche (of course, both of these statements should be patently obvious to anyone that has the slightest inkling of what game development entails). So contemplate this:

What role would THF fulfill that isn't DPS? Support isn't a role, it's a subrole (and wouldn't make the class play differently anyways), so that's right out. It makes no sense for THF to be a healer since it's never had anything resembling those capabilities. It makes even *less* sense for THF to be a tank because THF has always had abilities to *avoid* fights and has taken hits only marginally better than a caster (and, in fact, worse than MNK or DRG has). People make the claim that it could *possibly* be a hybrid, but it takes a major stretch of the imagination to see THF performing the same functions as a RDM. There *isn't* a role for THF to occupy.

What niche would THF fill that isn't taken up by ROG and NIN? ROG and NIN are already the light armored, dual dagger wielding, stealthy class that uses poisons. WAR is the martial tank while PLD is the "holy" tank. WHM is the traditional healer while SCH is the pet/shield healer. SMN is the standard DPS caster while SMN is the DoT/pet DPS caster. DRG is medium armored spear using DPS (less positioning requirements) while MNK is light armored "unarmed" DPS (more positioning requirements). There *isn't* a niche remaining for THF to occupy.

There is absolutely no reason that anyone can come up with that we will ever get THF beyond "Yoshi hasn't said we're not getting it". As I have said over and over and over again, if you actually *look* at what evidence there is (without trying to twist it and find a loophole to create an out for yourself whereupon you're not looking at the evidence; you're trying to find a way around it), it's plain to see that the closest we're getting to THF is ROG (and, it could *easily* be argued, that ROG *is* THF).