NINJA and ROGUE confirmed

[Renik]

Thief:

Steal potion: Steals a potion-like item and uses it to recover slightly pty members HP.

Steal ether: steal an ether-like item and uses it to recover pty members MP.

Steal boost: steal a boost potion and uses it to apply a random boost effect to pty members.

Trick attack: attacks critically the target and transfers the hate generated by the attack to the person between the player and the monster.

Evisceration: Finishes the rouge attack rotation and applies bleeding.

There you have, a thief job with steal abilities for those who want a thief and a hybrid support/dps class (which Yoshi already stated they want to implement) for those who oppose to thf. I'm not telling SE to use this idea, i just saying that if a part of the community want a thif job even if it's only by name the can do it in very different ways w/o repeating a job, this discussion about if it's thief or not is a bit pointless, if ppl want a thf, SE will make one, because this is a business, and nothing gives more money than listening your customers.

[Radacci]

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So THF would be a gimp BRD, with the difference being: you dont do any damage?
Good healers rarely run out of MP, good groups rarely die. And healers should heal...not Thieves...unless Thief is a healer...which makes no sense
Good tanks dont loose aggro, good DPS, dont overaggro. so no need for Thief to swap aggro.

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in FF, THF traditionally steal things....that's all. NIN, throws shurikens and such...that's all.
now ofc Rogue is the base class, that theoretically branches off into both THF and NIN. So the only difference between them would be, THF steals things, Ninja uses Mudras.
Then again, it makes no sense for them to add 2 DD, from same class. and since all THF does is steal...it would make for a rather boring job. All combat oriented skills, that THF has, in XI....is covered by Rogue.
So again...the only thing THF would add, is stealing. Nothing else; Rogue is the comabat side of XI THF...
And again, we don't even know what skills rogues get...it might be everything that is THF, except the name...and that's a rather trivial thing to go bananas about.
the only diff between DRG and LNC...is Jump. so why would NIN be so different from Rogue? it just adds a few new skills...like you know...cross classing other classes.

[Kallera]

So THF would be a gimp BRD, with the difference being: you dont do any damage?
Good healers rarely run out of MP, good groups rarely die. And healers should heal...not Thieves...unless Thief is a healer...which makes no sense
Good tanks dont loose aggro, good DPS, dont overaggro. so no need for Thief to swap aggro.

Good parties have no need for a dragoon either, they can do just fine without one.

Game developers aren't praised for what they cannot do. I wanted a Thief job, not Ninja. I'm not going to pretend that hand gesturing and Japanese characters flying around are things indicative of being a thief. Nor should we have to craft the damn thing in order to get it. People wrote off ninja back in the day because its dual wield and blink tanking were things seen as with broken or unfeasible with the armory system. If they can throw in another DD class, they can throw in Thief.

[LoLo]

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Just because you do not have a creative idea as to how a Thief Job can work in this game doesn't mean that professional game developers can not. Also Thief was never just a job that can steal. Other MMO's made Thief-like jobs pretty uber and became popular. Like Rogue from WoW.

[Zarzak]

Just because you do not have a creative idea as to how a Thief Job can work in this game doesn't mean that professional game developers can not. Also Thief was never just a job that can steal. Other MMO's made Thief-like jobs pretty uber and became popular. Like Rogue from WoW.

See newest addition to the game coming in 2.4

Aka the FFXIV version of the WoW rogue


Also I got to say I like you LoLo. You fail to come up with any real argument so you just spam over and over about how Class and Job are VERY different things and omg how could ninja be anything like rogue even through 17 of its 22 abilities will be rogue abilities.

[Renik]

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I don't want to join a mindless discussion here, you know how the game is right now, but not how it will be in the future, Yoshi wants to implement hybrid jobs, it's on 2 or 3 interviews, don't ask for a source because i don't save the information in case i have to argue about it.

Anyways that's not the point, i just say they can implement w/e they want because they're designing this game and they have the freedom needed to listen the customers and do w/e they want.

[Radacci]

Good parties have no need for a dragoon either, they can do just fine without one.

i think it's a big difference between DRG doing DPS, and thief...restoring low hp/mp/swapping aggro.
you don't need a drg specifically, no...but you need DD.
What role do you want THF to be anyway? sounds like your idea is support type, but until/if we get that, BRD is DPS, and and THF would be DD.
And Yoshi already gave reasons for NOT adding THF...so, why even speculate? It just sounds like they didnt see much incentive to add THF as a job...i don't either.

Just because you do not have a creative idea as to how a Thief Job can work in this game doesn't mean that professional game developers can not. Also Thief was never just a job that can steal. Other MMO's made Thief-like jobs pretty uber and became popular. Like Rogue from WoW.

Or like XIV Rogue?
Like many ppl already said, many times before....Rogue is already doing everything that THF can do. So THF and ROG is the same...
Complaining about ROG not being a thf/job, is kinda pointless...

I don't want to join a mindless discussion here, you know how the game is right now, but not how it will be in the future, Yoshi wants to implement hybrid jobs, it's on 2 or 3 interviews, don't ask for a source because i don't save the information in case i have to argue about it.

Anyways that's not the point, i just say they can implement w/e they want because they're designing this game and they have the freedom needed to listen the customers and do w/e they want.

ofc, BRD is already a hybrid job, so is SMN (even more so, since they can tank with egi, dps, and heal their pet)
but like i said, they already gave reasons NOT to add THF, and no, it doesn't mean they will never add it...they might.
if they had any good ideas for THF, they would probably have added THF together with NIN...but they didn't, so i don't think they have any good ideas of how to make a good job out of THF.

[LoLo]

Or like XIV Rogue?
Like many ppl already said, many times before....Rogue is already doing everything that THF can do. So THF and ROG is the same...
Complaining about ROG not being a thf/job, is kinda pointless...

Wow you must have access to 2.4 before everyone else to know that Rogue does everything like a Thief Job! BTW, can I please get some footage of your Rogue CLASS doing COIL turn 9 ? Derping aint easy!

[Radacci]

Wow you must have access to 2.4 before everyone else to know that Rogue does everything like a Thief Job! BTW, can I please get some footage of your Rogue CLASS doing COIL turn 9 ? Derping aint easy!

No, but there's the translated traits from dat-mined patch file.
and we saw combat video of how rogue plays.
and thief has been around in XI for...10 years? in XI, thieves were a DD job.
So they removed steal, and renamed it Rogue, and made it a class.
And since you brougt up WoW Rogues, they are DD, and so is XIV Rogues. So both are awesome DPS, by your standard.
And Yoshi already said that Rogues are Thieves, that stopped Thieving....so Rogues do everything that Thieves does...except steal.
You're claiming i lack imagination, but....there's a saying in Sweden: dont throw stones, in glass houses.

Edit: Actually i will bring Rogue to T9, and show that it will be viable

[Darus]

They shoulda just named the class "Treasure Hunter" and be done with it. Bam - Thief AND doesn't belong to a "thieves guild"