NINJA and ROGUE confirmed

[Cynric]

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All jobs at this present date and time have no problem. But it's not like there never was a problem at all or can't happen again. Deny it all you want. Also you said you found parties that were nice. That's good for you. I did too, but not all melee were so lucky. Some rolled Bards just to be able to play.
I already said i got lucky and found a group to play with. This isn't about me. But it's a fact it originally was hard for melee to find a party. I don't need you to back me up when you can go look at the early monk forum posts and see for yourself and so can anyone else if they so wished. Other's experienced it and don't need to look back at it. I only dealt with it for a week or two, others.. well they had worse times.

Partying in FF14 has nothing to do with ffXI I don't really see the point in bringing it up.

There was no first or last choice just play a bard and easily get a party.Plenty of groups on hyperion the world you're on right now did Full range, No melee, PLD/PLD,WHM/WHM, all the time. Some even still do.(This one is kinda weird) the ones that still do are easy to tell. They have no melee slots in their PF. Back then they just barely shouted for melee DPS pre patch. This is all fact. There's no opinion behind it. I don't know how you never noticed in between shouts and such. Even if it never happened to you it should of been clearly visible.

Garuda EX even had threads on this same forum just about not being able to get in parties as a melee. But that's a different story. It's still class segregation.

Also yes all posts have a timestamp. In order for it to be correct time you have to change your timezone in the settings. I'm not sure what the default is anymore.

edit: Top right of page settings > General settings and you can edit timezone and dst settings

[LoLo]

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My settings are on the right time zone and it is still incorrect. None of this matters, dont expect me to hold off replying because you expect me to read your mind and know you are going to edit your post. You can just end any talk about that right now.

Like I said several times before. If you can't progress in this game its not because of they systems put in place or your job choice. It is because you are not skilled enough to complete the content correctly on your job choice. If you do not know how to play your job, dont blame the people who refuse to invite a bad player into their party.

At this point the thread is off topic because people want to type essays about the so-called prevention from people playing Monk in end game. The reality is that these people didn't know how to play Monk effectively to be an asset to their parties.

[Cynric]

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Monk was only one of the examples I used that you personally decided to pick with and once again, You can't show skill if you can't get in a party to show said skill. I don't really know what skill will do for people who shout for BLM or BRD when they already have one or leave in DF before anyone even plays. But either way yes this has gotten off topic.

That would be horrible for alliance build with the Duty Finder. Pretty much like Ifrit Hard when people left because the party couldn't use the caster LB.
And since they remove elemental resistance to no "punish" anyone, I don't see them doing something as definitive.

Since most skills comes from classes, the two jobs would probably play almost the same. I don't see the point in doing two jobs that fills the same role and play the same. For example, if I want to tank as a Gladiator related job, I'll go for PLD, I don't need a second tank.

I feel like the way our class system works is a bit limiting at times . I think thats really part of the problem. If you have two DPS on one class it's hard to see them playing much different, and i'd rather see a whole new class built for them. But with the actual usefulness of using a class is that even really worth it? Maybe they'll try something different at some point with the skills.

[Moheeheeko]

I feel like the way our class system works is a bit limiting at times . I think thats really part of the problem. If you have two DPS on one class it's hard to see them playing much different, and i'd rather see a whole new class built for them. But with the actual usefulness of using a class is that even really worth it? Maybe they'll try something different at some point with the skills.

Its a good idea that other mmos have done that SE got completely backwards. In most games where 1 class creates 2 jobs the class itself has 5-10 skills while the job has many more. Aion and SWTOR did these very well.

[Cynric]

Its a good idea that other mmos have done that SE got completely backwards. In most games where 1 class creates 2 jobs the class itself has 5-10 skills while the job has many more. Aion and SWTOR did these very well.

Even F2P games have been doing this very well for a long time. Because usually the first class is just a base the job paths build on to. They didn't so much do it wrong as them wanting the base classes to be usable at 50 was the problem. In most games once you upgrade you can't switch back to the base.