NINJA and ROGUE confirmed

[MartaDemireux]

He said they stopped being thieves. It's not as if thievery is some kind of ancient tradecraft and basically said that it's not a heroic pursuit (not to mention pointing out that it has to fit within the story of the world). For all intents and purposes, he has said "nope, THF ain't happening".

The base class is being called "Rogue" because "Thief" doesn't work as the name of a heroic class/job in the framework of the world. It doesn't work as a heroic class/job because it is a *petty* profession (his own words).

He did NOT call the profession petty but simply said that if you were to think of a thieves guild you would think of petty thievery. He's basically saying Rogue has a more substantial name because they're rogues not just focusing on thievery but also in poisons and stealth attacks. He also said nothing of heroism. In fact he mentioned having stealth and attacks only executable while the effect is active which is not very "heroic" at all.

Re-watching the part right now:

"It's like a thief. I mean you have the classes in FFXIV, they fit in with the story each class has their own guild and their own history. And so when we're thinking of creating a new class and a class that would have its own guild you think thieves and that's more like petty thievery and you want something a little bit more solid. So the story-wise this new rogue class - they were once thieves and they over the years have evolved into this rogue class with their own guild and they'll have their own story and background. ... But again they do have that thief history so we wanna make sure that in the lore and in the story that you have that feeling that they came up from thieves. "

This means that during the Rogue story line we will learn that they are like thieves but different. Absolutely no reason why they cannot learn old techniques through a job master that resented the change into rogues.

SE never gives away everything in one go. The PR guy won't let them.

Don't forget that new classes aren't coming until 2.4. Before then, we'll have new Live Letters, and Gamescom is in August (the month before 2.4 is due). There is plenty of time.

Just like adding Thief could be Ninja'd into the game come patch day.

Exactly! Just like back when SE told us about ACN and SMN and everyone thought that was it. Then we found out about SCH and everyone was really surprised.