Summoner - Acc vs Det/Crit

[Zamii]

added a stat weighting to the findings, it surprised me when i saw it in comparison to the weighting for determination, had to double check to make sure it was actually correct lol.

[Judge_Xero]

For those that make BiS lists based upon stat weightings:
each point of accuracy below cap should have a value of -0.255

So if this is the stat weighting for Accuracy, then is this how it would work with Garuda?

Accuracy -0.255/4 = 0.06375 (Relative to Damage % Compared to Master)
Add in the extra Damage Stats - 0.217 Crit, 0.2 DET / 4 (Averaged out at 0.052 per stat)
So totalled out as 0.01175 in a 1:1 Ratio to Accuracy (Because while Pets average is reduced by accuracy, it is increased by Damage stat) - much more complex considering damage stats are indirectly effected by accuracy, but close enough for comparison

So as long as the Summoner is at 100% accuracy, each point of Crit/DET has a stat weighting of 17 compared to Accuracy for Summoner Pet? (0.208/0.01175)

Please critique.

Edited: Proposed BiS - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/MULX
Can swap out either, Evenstar Boots and Hat for High Allagan Boots and Hat

[Dwill]

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You can't divide the -0.255 by 4 because that value is specific to Garuda missing since she is the one needing to be at 491, not the summoner himself. I'd warrant that the acc weight for being under cap would be much higher if it was being calculated at going under 471.

So to break even at 471, if the value of -0,255 is good, you'd need 5.1 worth of value from stats weight with CRT being 0,2 and Det being 0,163 and S.Speed being a whooping 0.022 to 0.081 depending on the encounter's time (all of the value being calculated at the summoner being accuracy capped).

continuing in the next post...

[Dwill]

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Current BiS is http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/MQDG with 533 CRT, 308 DET and 405 S.peed
Your proposed list is http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/MULX with 542 CRT, 282 DET and 435 S.Speed.

The difference of stats in term of weights is:

CRT = +1.8
DET = -4.238
S.Speed= +2.43

So in the end, you're not even breaking even with acc cap weights. With acc being under the cap values being adjusted, you'd be losing damage.

So this comes back to my previous point earlier in the thread that dropping below acc is just not worth it.

[ticdup]

So to break even at 471, if the value of -0,255 is good, you'd need 5.1 worth of value from stats weight with CRT being 0,2 and Det being 0,163 and S.Speed being a whooping 0.022 to 0.081 depending on the encounter's time (all of the value being calculated at the summoner being accuracy capped).

Where did you get a weight of DET being less than CRIT for Summoner?

[Dwill]

Where did you get a weight of DET being less than CRIT for Summoner?

http://sim.ffxivguild.net/

[Infina]

http://sim.ffxivguild.net/

Just tried the SMN sim, here's the rotation it used for 5 mins sim

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and for garuda

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Still quite far from being reliable compared to T0rin's (outdated) sim

[Zamii]

Dwill was correct, the acc weighting was factoring garuda-egi going under cap and the summoner being over cap, if the summoner was going under cap also it would be much much higher.

[Dwill]

Just tried the SMN sim, here's the rotation it used for 5 mins sim



and for garuda



Still quite far from being reliable compared to T0rin's (outdated) sim

T0rin's was much unreliable especially due to the S.Speed bug it had. While there is more optimization required, this is far more accurate than T0rin's and can actually be used as a guideline.

[Infina]

T0rin's was much unreliable especially due to the S.Speed bug it had. While there is more optimization required, this is far more accurate than T0rin's and can actualyl be used as a guideline.

What spell speed bug? I haven't really been following discussions about it since T0rin disappeared.

Also, this sim isn't keeping GCD rolling, which makes skill speed rather useless.