The Cutscene Skipping Debate - Change of View

[necrosis]

I love when people complain about what they get in Duty Finder parties. CS skippers and CS watchers alike.

[Eidolon]

Again, missing the point of what was said. Read post 28.

That is also why I said most are boss intros, which aren't long at all. And that it isn't about just the cutscenes. Focusing just on the cutscene aspect is missing the entire problem.

he asked in a later post why it worked there and I was giving a reasonable answer. I'm also pointing out that if that's the quality of the cutscenes that DCUO has to offer, going to that game over FFXIV for story-content is going to be a HUGE dissapointment. Let's take for example T5 cutscenes, because at the moment they're less Spoiler-tastic than T9's cutscenes.

Cutscene you get at the end of T5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9qFXDiE5to RUNNING TIME OF 3m10 seconds. Already, even if you include the 'roar I'm the boss', and the fact that the cutscene for DCUO glitched the heck out, AND the fact that there's a load right in the middle of it, you're still at a minute longer for this one in just ONE cutscene portion. This isn't even including the cutscene at the very start, as well as the "ROAR I'M A DRAGON" that twintania does.

Just because DCUO has cutscenes, doesn't mean it has the quality and depth that FFXIV's provides.

Edit-in: At the same time, I will add that if you think about it, if they put those cutscenes on -all- raids in DCUO, it's probably going to equal the amount of cutscenes we get between all 5 turns of a single raid, since that was referred to as a "T4 Raid" (Not quite sure how many there are in that game.) Even still, those cutscenes were shoddy at best.

[Tiggy]

Is this aimed at me (OP)? Have another read through please. I never forced speed runs and will always stand beside the player who wants to slow down. I'm simply explaining that i've come to peace with that fact people will use the duty finder for speed runs for the reasons explained in the top post. I don't think it helps to get angry at players who farm on roulette. If they are aggressive and rude however (any player), as I know many are, I'll never condone it. This post is aimed precisely at you I think. Sounds like you're aggressive and forcefull to players (as I have been) who aren't willing to wait for scenes, even if these players say nothing offensive at all.

Duty finder is for new players, and always has been. The only expectation of duty finder is to join and help out regardless of the situation you find. If helping new players watch the cut scenes is a crime then it's the only crime I've ever commited in the duty finder. Don't go making assumptions about my behavior in duty finder solely because I disagree with you. I do nothing but help people in duty finder every single time I join new players.

[Tule]

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Again, the point I am making is about player behavior. This thread (at least as far as I read it) seemed to be about CS skippers vs CS watchers. And how the skippers should concede. One of the points supporting the fact that they should concede being that "thats how players are in all games". Or at least that is how I read it. And continue to read it as he continue to ask how the PLAYERS came to allow that, and can he take his time without PLAYERS getting mad, without PLAYERS harassing him. Can he play the way he wants without PLAYERS kicking him.

[Velo_Vandore]

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Tule, if you're looking to counter a specific sentence then I already admitted you win. I was never looking for a new game to play. That was just an example to prove a point, but maybe a bad one. I'm just trying to express the idea that I see you do understand. It's about player behavior, yes.

I used to get angry at other players who didn't allow me or others to slow down and view cutscenes, or who would continue into boss fights without me or another player who was still in the scene. I have called players selfish in Prae runs for not waiting for another player, and I'm no longer proud of it. The reason I posted is to explain why I don't get angry about it anymore, and why I think the system is OK, and hopefully pursuade some others not to get angry or upset by people farming on duty finder (so long as they aren't rude / offensive). I also wanted to make some suggestions to make the system even better (particularly for new players) with changes to the party finder notifications, etc.

[Velo_Vandore]

Duty finder is for new players, and always has been. The only expectation of duty finder is to join and help out regardless of the situation you find. If helping new players watch the cut scenes is a crime then it's the only crime I've ever commited in the duty finder. Don't go making assumptions about my behavior in duty finder solely because I disagree with you. I do nothing but help people in duty finder every single time I join new players.

Well to be fair Tiggy, you made a wrong assumption about me, but yeah two wrongs don't make a right I guess. I also support new players and will opt out of running on without the guy in the cutscene. @Tule and anyone else as well, I want to make clear I never meant to suggest new players should concede and skip scenes or accept that they'll be locked out of a fight if they aren't happy to. Only that they should not criticize or be rude to other players who will not wait for them. If the groups interests are different to their own and they can't compromise, hard luck - leave and try again. Duty finder IS for new players, but not exclusively. At the risk of sounding like a twerp, I think my attitude now is more mature, realistic, and productive than when I would start mouthing off to players for not waiting. Sorry if I assumed that's something you do too - no offense intended.

Now I'll try to politely encourage the group to slow down for the new guy, but if an agreement can't be met, I see no point playing tug of war. I'll leave or vote abandon, and if the player's on my server I'll actually try to get them a group together after with my linkshell.

EDIT: just to be clear - I love players to have a great first run, and always look out for such groups in party finder. I made a linkshell for that exact purpose also, to allow people to find patient and considerate groups. My change in attitude is only towards the duty finder, and how we should not expect such first time run's on tap, right now. It's unrealistic. We can't force players to be helpful, only encourage and keep putting our own support out there.

[LalaRu]

About the OP, I see few options:

1. OP done it all, and now he does not care anymore about CS
2. OP states that if majority of players wants skip CS, then force skip CS even to new players, is legit
3. OP is a Cretan

[Velo_Vandore]

About the OP, I see few options:

1. OP done it all, and now he does not care anymore about CS
2. OP states that if majority of players wants skip CS, then force skip CS even to new players, is legit
3. OP is a Cretan

X_X I think it's 3.

Seriously, no... I am saying that people are stupid if they get upset that duty finder is not aimed exclusively at first timers, or that it should be, for one simple reason - If the tomes were not time efficient then players would not come (or at least far less players would). Making cut-scenes unskipable or removing the bonus tomes would not aid the new player at all. They would be waiting ages for a group just as they can do right now on the party finder.

I'm not saying that new players are doing anything wrong if they use the duty finder, or that they are doing anything wrong to watch cutscenes - in fact I highly recommend watching scenes on your first run! What I'm suggesting is that to expect the duty finder group to slow down for you (while there's a chance) is not realistic at all. Also that being rude to players who are farming isn't fair. I would say if you do want to chance the duty finder for your story run then go for it, but when the group decided to leave you behind, politely leave and requeue, or better yet, use party finder. If every new player used party finder it would be easier to get a group. I see duty finder as the "I don't wanna wait, I just wanna clear" option, or "I can't get a preformed, I'll take my chances and hope for some considerate players". both of which are fine in my opinion. What's not fine is "I wanna watch scenes, wtf aren't these ****heads waiting for me! Selfish! RAH RAH RAH!". They're myth farming, hard luck ok. You can stay and get dragged through or you can try another group. You took a chance with DF and got unlucky.

Regarding option 1 - I haven't done it all. I waited a long time for my first run of a lot of dungeons. I never compromise my first run by skipping scenes or even skipping chests / mob groups. Sometimes when I can't preformed for my first for over a week after I unlocked it, I'll try to take a chance with duty finder, but that normally ends up with me saying "sorry, I'm looking for a slow run" and leaving. I don't keep re-queuing cause it's a pain for me and for them, but I do reserve my right to queue should I feel like it. What I won't do is be rude to the group for not wanting to help me out (not anymore). Lost City of Ampador is my next new content - I'm taking that a step further and waiting for a completely new / blind group so we can actually figure out the strats together without guides / being told what to do. It means I have to wait... and wait... and wait... but for me it's worth it. I'm not complaining because it's my choice - just like it's a choice if you watch scenes or not.

EDIT: ok, that gramma is so bad I'm not even gonna try correcting it <_< hope you get the gist anyway

[Yoji]

Don't know if it's been suggested already, seems such a simple solution to me: allow cut scenes to be watched BEFORE queuing for duty (from the menu) and remove cut scene auto-play at the start of dungeons?

Edit: I guess the problem is mid-duty cut scenes? Didn't think about that.

[Razzle]

Nowhere is it stated that DF is for new players. Nowhere. It's simply a party matching tool, for new players, for vet players, for big players and small players

Call it convinience, quaility of life. DF being for new players is an illusion.