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  1. #51
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    Bombastica Davion
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    Quote Originally Posted by chunli1245 View Post
    Hey guys & gals quick Q again hopefully this time i won't get called an idiot. But i know Swiftcast is a must for a Summoner but what about. Raging Stikes it has increased Dam by 20% Or is it only melee dam because it doesn't say it just says Increases damage dealt by 20% for 20s

    So Yes or No?

    I'm just trying different abilities out this doesn't mean I'm running Dungeons like this. As i said i want to win just like my team so I'll always look it up or ask. Before i go into a Dungeons untested.
    The 'must have' cross class abilities for Summoner:

    -Swiftcast (Swiftcast Raise/Shadow Flare)
    - Raging Strikes (Its a damage increase, not a particular stat increase)

    Nice to haves:

    -Quelling Strikes (Aggro management. Summoners have the lowest aggro profile without this skill, but why not?)
    - Blizzard II (Good lazy tool for FATEs)
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  2. #52
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    Brynhildr
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Thanks for the info
    Quote Originally Posted by Bombast View Post
    The 'must have' cross class abilities for Summoner:

    -Swiftcast (Swiftcast Raise/Shadow Flare)
    - Raging Strikes (Its a damage increase, not a particular stat increase)

    Nice to haves:

    -Quelling Strikes (Aggro management. Summoners have the lowest aggro profile without this skill, but why not?)
    - Blizzard II (Good lazy tool for FATEs)
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    Chunli1245

  3. #53
    Player Dwill's Avatar
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    Elenath Lanthir
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bombast View Post
    The 'must have' cross class abilities for Summoner:

    -Swiftcast (Swiftcast Raise/Shadow Flare)
    - Raging Strikes (Its a damage increase, not a particular stat increase)

    Nice to haves:

    -Quelling Strikes (Aggro management. Summoners have the lowest aggro profile without this skill, but why not?)
    - Blizzard II (Good lazy tool for FATEs)
    With good strafing in between cast, Blizzard II is actually a pretty good AoE to use everywhere when you got DoTs + Shadowflare running.
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  4. #54
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    Jack Magus
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    Shiva
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Dwill View Post
    With good strafing in between cast, Blizzard II is actually a pretty good AoE to use everywhere when you got DoTs + Shadowflare running.
    Stick to Miasma II for AOE damage.
    You wont have the time to cast Blizzard II in Garuda HM for the Plumes.
    BlizzardII is basically used in low level mob Fates.
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    Last edited by BinaryJack; 06-13-2014 at 03:31 PM.

  5. #55
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    Venoix Fortemps
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    Tonberry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyana View Post
    While this makes creating content alot easier, it kills one of the aspects which made the class system of FF so unique.
    In saying that though, I tried a White Mage with subbed Thief skills in FFXI, because I liked having the ability to steal from enemies.
    Despite this, I got a lot of hate for it - because it wasn't an "optimal" combo for a party.

    So, I can kind of see where the OP is coming from in wanting to play their own class, their own way.

    I agree that the abilities should be able to be cross pollinated a lot more, like they were able to be in Final Fantasy V.
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  6. #56
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    Sanguisio Alorea
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    Phoenix
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    Goldsmith Lv 50
    Play your class how you like, but accept the rage you will get with it.
    - what ever dps you are lacking the others will suffer because of it.

    Blizzard 2 is good for AOE damage providing Dots and SF are running, miasma II isn't that great tbh
    Just think of it like this
    Blizzard potency times how many mobs you are hitting vs the single potency from hitting one.
    With two casts of blizzard 2 you have already done more DPS than the miasma II would do if left to fall off.

    If you require sustained AOE damage for a few mobs who have a large health pool and will likely survive longer than 40 secs or so

    If you can RS normal DOTs and Bane, while running to them use Swift SF, Miasma II while running back hitting them all, then use contagion when its time.
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    Last edited by Sanguisio; 06-14-2014 at 12:52 AM.

  7. #57
    Player Dwill's Avatar
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    Elenath Lanthir
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    Quote Originally Posted by BinaryJack View Post
    Stick to Miasma II for AOE damage.
    You wont have the time to cast Blizzard II in Garuda HM for the Plumes.
    BlizzardII is basically used in low level mob Fates.
    In Garuda HM, SMN usually don't even bother with plumes to the speed at which they fall.

    And I don't mean this to be offensive but if you think we have to stick to Miasma II for AoE and Blizzard II is a FATE tool, you're totally wrong.
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  8. #58
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    Everyone has their own play style trying spell / attack combos out to see what works for you is part of the fun. Players that tell you things like

    (You should use this and this and this..If you don't you're wasting your time and the time of your party)

    Are being a bit anal 68 dam vs 55 dam yeah i may do more dam if i play your way. But I'm killing my own fun by playing like someone else. And the whole playing wrong thing is over blow. Yes i had people ask (You're not a Sum?) Which i am now but before i would say no and we would continue with the dungeon. Not 1 time did me and my party die because i was an ARC not even in any lvl 50 dungeons. There has even been a time were i save the whole party after they died. Not because of me but because the healer was on the phone. I healed myself and killed all the enemies using Bane and then Res'ed everyone and we when on to win.
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    Chunli1245

  9. #59
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    I feel if you are winning just go with it don't be so anal because someone is doing this or isn't doing that. If the party is winning that's to over all point. (But nobody wants to carry another player) To that i say whatever without a healer a Tank & Dps is crap I have beat dungeons without a Tank in party. And i know many of you have to so when they do a good job i always thank the healer for carrying the team lol.
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    Chunli1245

  10. #60
    Player Dwill's Avatar
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    Elenath Lanthir
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    Quote Originally Posted by chunli1245 View Post
    I feel if you are winning just go with it don't be so anal because someone is doing this or isn't doing that. If the party is winning that's to over all point. (But nobody wants to carry another player) To that i say whatever without a healer a Tank & Dps is crap I have beat dungeons without a Tank in party. And i know many of you have to so when they do a good job i always thank the healer for carrying the team lol.
    And without a tank and damage dealers, a healer is just as useless. It takes all 3 to function properly. In the end, it's your 15$ a month so you have the right to play as you want but it's other players 45$-345$ a month (3-23 additional players) that's being wasted for your own selfish way of wanting to play sub-optimally because "it's fun". So these players totally have the right to be pissed at players wasting their time.
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