Thread: 2.3 Frontline What do we know?

You know, Frontline information was first announced in June 2013 and subsequent info after that. They stated it was going to be GC vs GC numerous times. I know that doesn't mean much to people that recently joined and have been doing pvp, but if you were interested in frontlines you should of been following it. They gave us numerous info about since then. You can't get mad at them for making it GC vs GC vs GC only cause the information was already out there. If you were interested in frontlines like I was when I first heard about it, I made sure my friends switched to the same GC. That's like buying a ticket to a show that's a city away from you, and you getting upset as the closer it gets to the time you can't get to the city, when you knew it wasn't in your city.

What sucks is that if you are invested in a GC and your friends are not. It was too much of a grind to get higher ranks because of high pvp que times. Hopefully frontlines will make it so you get pvp much faster to rank up. Even in that instance they stated morale will have no effect in frontlines so even if you don't have pvp gear you wont be at such a huge disadvantage minus abilities. They also said that if there isn't enough people they will make it so it could be 16 vs 16 vs 16 or 8 vs 8 vs 8 so that should help the que times for GC's with low population and make it better for everyone overall to earn marks and experience quickly. Hopefully....But no reason to get all bent out of shape now. Pretty much in the final stages of it so we will just have to wait and see.

Originally Posted by Marius

but if you were interested in frontlines you should of been following it. They gave us numerous info about since then. You can't get mad at them for making it GC vs GC vs GC only cause the information was already out there.

They never said you'd be restricted to playing for your own GC team, neither that you wouldn't be able to queue for whatever GC your party leader is aligned to.
Something being predictable =/= it being a good idea. Oh and i did post it on the forums a while back, some people thought that it wouldn't happen because yeah.. bad idea.
Again, they're sacrificing simplicity and elegance in the queue system for fluff "lore" that nearly no one really cares about - because when you are fighting you are totally thinking how you are serving your imaginary allegiance which you can switch every 15 days now...

Originally Posted by Vittorino

Wouldn't surprise me on all accounts SE loves to piss off the 1% lol. SE, we warned you multiple times, I hope you listen to your consumers.

Love ya

Where are people getting this magic power to threaten a multinational media conglomerate?
From their ~10$ a month sub? That's 30 minutes of wages.
Seems futile, hostile, agitated...etc.

I get the frustration, but let's be real, here. SE has their highly trained analysts and product specialists. They've already weighed their decision to limit participation by this category, and the pros apparently outweigh the cons to doing so. I'll keep mum and enjoy it as I can with other Twin Adders, waiting for whatever they ultimately decide. But threatening just puts a easily dismissed tone to an otherwise viable opinion.

Originally Posted by Nalien

I'd rather they fix PvP progression.

Make Wolves Den less of a grind.
Lock Frontlines behind a quest that requires R25.
New players enter Wolves Den, it's less of a grind so much more tolerable.
They rank up, obtain some Morale gear, then enter Frontlines.
Frontlines matches up the same way Wolves Den does, so teams are roughly equal in rank.

Those are horrible suggestion players have already soured on Wolves Den and that is why pvp is dead right now and if they lock Frontlines behind rank 25 Frontlines will be dead on arrival.

All this woe is me attitude should just stop now.
I swear the # of ppl on these forums complaining about frontlines is like twice the population of the current pvp community.
I mean where did u guys all come from? Lol
I may not pvp as much anymore but i still like to post in some pvp threads about healer stuff etc and not just QQ threads about gc restriction.
Honestly SE shouldn't cater to the % that will only do it to get their mounts and will shortly quit FL after. I mean if you couldn't even get into WD pvp and have a good time then what makes you think changes to the gc restrictions will help?
No more suggestions for allowing to change gcs plz. If SE gave a damn they would have said something about we'll keep a close eye on how well FL is doing after the launch or something.

Originally Posted by Pibz

They never said you'd be restricted to playing for your own GC team, neither that you wouldn't be able to queue for whatever GC your party leader is aligned to.
Something being predictable =/= it being a good idea. Oh and i did post it on the forums a while back, some people thought that it wouldn't happen because yeah.. bad idea.
Again, they're sacrificing simplicity and elegance in the queue system for fluff "lore" that nearly no one really cares about - because when you are fighting you are totally thinking how you are serving your imaginary allegiance which you can switch every 15 days now...

They didn't specifically say you will not be able to team with others in a different GC, but with them just reiterating that it would be GC vs GC vs GC since the beginning of the year, you can pretty much know that you would be limited to that. What sense would it make to pvp on the same team as someone in a different GC, when the whole point of Frontlines would be GC vs GC vs GC. The give in was when he was saying it would be similar to realm vs realm from previous pvp games. You can't join another realm to fight against your own (most pvp in mmos, not all I.E. Rift for example). I don't recall them ever mentioning about the party leader queing for frontlines. That was released fairly recently.

"Lore" is a big draw for many people, maybe not to you, but you can't speak about everyone saying no one really cares about it. I care about the lore of the game. Saying being able to change your allegiance just for the sake of being snarky doesn't doesn't impact the lore of the game. You should be happy they are at least allowing people to switch GC's. What if they made it so you couldn't? Would you be happy then for the sake of lore?

anyone else not going to try this until they make it a easy way to play with your friends?

I did state that there are other games that allow for you to play with the opposing factions in pvp as Rift like I stated. That was mostly an issue of low sub numbers and pvp taking way to long to que for. I will agree with you since the game launched that there hasn't been much major differences between GC factions. I can see where you are coming from saying some people may not feel attached to their GC cause there isn't so much content besides some quests. Frontlines plans to change that. You have to start somewhere and I'm sure from now on there will be more specific GC things to do. Just hasn't been many GC only content besides leves.

There doesn't need to be other other reason for them to make frontlines GC only. It's their view and idea, so we deal with it. They wanted to make it GC specific for lore purposes and give players a sense of fighting for their own city state. I understand that and I can see how it would be sucky for friends in other GC, doesn't make their reasoning irrelevant just because you don't agree with it.

You can say most people don't care about lore while doing pvp. Wolves den, I would agree. When I'm doing that I'm not really concerned with who is in what faction. GC really doesn't have meaning there as it's arena based, but something like frontlines it does. Would you of been happy if they made Wolve's den GC only? I would assume not lol Frontine's objective based pvp with people in your own GC gives you a reason and purpose for fighting for your own GC. Lore makes sense there and fighting with your own GC. Just like in GW2 I care about my server when I do world pvp. Gives me purpose for fighting for my world, as frontlines will for my GC.