Thread: 2.3 Frontline What do we know?

Originally Posted by rappa

Frontlines will be a "wannabe pve carebears who want the war mount" and after that they walk in mor dhona "hey look at me, i am a pr0h".

You seem like a cynical person who doesn't like people who enjoy PvE content in a PvE oriented game...

Originally Posted by rappa

And you sound like a carebear pve who doesn't want punished by a pvp player in a pvp encounter

Not really. I mean, last I check I race changed from a cat to a Hyur, so I'm definitely not a bear.

Also! I wouldn't mind that either. It'll just motivate me to do pvp for pvp gear. As for now, Frontlines would motivate me to do pvp because pvp is fun. Destroying others in a game is a reward on it's own.

Originally Posted by Niroken

Why not just add a forth stat to PvP gear then?

That's been my argument this entire time. I couldn't care less if they toss out morale at this point, but it must be replaced with something that makes the gear earned in the Wolves' Den competitive. Otherwise every single piece of PvE gear of equal item level will be superior than xWolf gear in PvP. Either add in an extra stat or give meaningful set bonuses to pieces of PvP gear that only apply to Frontlines and the Wolves' Den.

Originally Posted by Niroken

I think that is a fair way of handling it. Although it looks to me like other people would rather PvP with a lead pipe while other players have a toothbrush, it's just so weird to me.

I'd rather they fix PvP progression.

Make Wolves Den less of a grind.
Lock Frontlines behind a quest that requires R25.
New players enter Wolves Den, it's less of a grind so much more tolerable.
They rank up, obtain some Morale gear, then enter Frontlines.
Frontlines matches up the same way Wolves Den does, so teams are roughly equal in rank.

And that's to say nothing of Morale adjustments, but it gives PvP a very clear sense of progression that currently looks to be non-existent. The PvE equivalent would be if they let you enter Coil at Lv1. No, you had to level up you character and go through some trials to enter Coil, the same should be true for Frontlines. If they make the grind manageable it isn't even that big of an issue. The only reason we have this issue is because someone at SE refuses to adjust the grind in PvP.

Given the Frontlines news, I'm really not surprised they wont change it. It's a disturbing trend in XIV; All vanity related content is rarer than progression content. It's really no surprise that Animal Gear would be locked behind R40 for no other point that vanity (for the foreseeable future, at least). Odin and Behemoth? Check. Crafted vanity gear? Why does that need maps? Housing? Fledgling Apkallu is locked behind the ridiculous Sightseeing Log... I'd go on but I already made myself sad by reminding myself about my baby Apkallu that never will be.

Originally Posted by Nalien

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So you want frontlines to be even more barren than wolve's den...
The only way to have massive(72 i guess you could call massive) pvp active in a MMO is to have it accessible to everyone off the bat, not to restrict it behind a grind that's super punishing to new people..
I don't know where's all this "QQ can't pwn noobs with my gear" is coming from, i find this lvl sync to be one of the best things they could do to revive the nearly dead pvp in this game and chill they're definitely going to make it matter again at some point , think of this as a PvP promotional strategy, this coming from me who has i94 pvp gear set btw...

Originally Posted by Pibz

So you want frontlines to even more barren than wolve's den...

Wolves Den is only really barren because of the ridiculous grind...

If people want to seriously do Frontlines, they'll grind through the ranks to access it. If that grind isn't ridiculous like it currently is, anyway.

Originally Posted by Niroken

Why does PvP need progression? It doesn't do much besides segregate the PvP player base and make it less appealing to new players.

Because progression provides a purpose? Yes, fun is a purpose, but it isn't a purpose that keeps people doing the same thing over and over. Progression gives people a reason to keep coming back to Frontlines, rather than just popping in whenever they're bored. Having a reason to keep coming back to the content is how you keep it alive.

It's the same fault Wolves Den had, actually. Wolves Den had progression of course, but it was so ridiculously steep that people simply dismissed it. That is a large part as to why Wolves Den failed, and rather than learning from that mistake, they're just throwing Frontlines under the bus...

Originally Posted by Ragecake

and YES, they're going to make improvements to PvP as a whole in the future.

Sadly, not all of us have such faith in our magic hope crystal ball, especially when it proved so inept when it came to Frontlines in the first place. Still, at least whatever they add next for PvP wont have three years of hype behind it, so there's that...