Thread: 2.3 Frontline What do we know?

Originally Posted by Ragecake

I know I'm repeating myself, but I think it's called appealing to the masses and getting people interested in pvp.

Said this plenty now, but that's something they should have addressed months ago. PvP has been dead in the water since launch (or close enough), they should have made it more appealing in the months following, not pushing Frontlines under the bus to try and save PvP now. People have been begging for new game modes in Wolves Den since launch, they did nothing. People begged for skills to be more accessible, they did it at the last possible minute. People begged them to make the grind more tolerable, they still refuse to change it. It's inane.

No real sense lamenting what they could, and should, have done I guess. Though they could still put Frontlines behind a Rank requirement and fix the grind up a bit. Then there is a clear sense of progression and anyone coming into Frontlines should have been able to obtain some gear by the time they can enter.

Another thing that gets me is that comment Yoshida made ages ago;

Front Line which is planned for release in patch 2.3 (battle between 3 teams) is probably good place to try out PvP before getting into the real PvP. PvP is not limited to 24 players, there may be much more.

OK. Lets accept that for a minutes. You do Frontline to get into PvP, and that's some how going to make you want to try out Wolves Den? Why? Is anyone going to go "Oh look at this guy, he has the R40 gear that does absolutely nothing here" and lust after it for anything over than vanity?

Literally the only hope I have left now is that the comment about Frontlines having the same rewards +tomestones can be taken literally, as in; Wolves Den = ~1m match for xEXP/Marks, Frontlines = 30m for xEXP/Marks +the same tomestones as 1 daily quest. But again, seeing as you'll see PvP progression doing nothing in Frontlines, why would it then be something you want to go after? Wolves Den didn't draw those people in, and it still wont. With progression destroyed as it now is, why would people suddenly want to progress? If it was a case of "Do Wolves Den to R25, then enter Frontlines to R40", it could have been perfect...

Originally Posted by Nalien

Said this plenty now, but that's something they should have addressed months ago.

Okay, so they didn't do anything or address the core of all the issue revolving pvp when it first came out. I mean, sure they could continued to let 4 SMNs queue together and everyone on the enemy team gets rekt AND they could have let SMNs res people. But they fixed that cause it was broken. They also made it mandatory for group compositions to be 2 dps (one melee one ranged) 1 healer and 1 tank. This was for balance issues obviously.

Even after these changes, Wolf's Den is still dead. There is no denying that and it's SE's fault for that.

What would you rather have? SE to not make anymore update to pvp? From all the complaining in these threads, it's like you guys would be happier if they would scrap Frontlines and made no future updates to pvp in this game. If that's not comical I don't know what is.

Edit: because you edited your post while I was making a new response post. gg wp forums

Originally Posted by Nalien

OK. Lets accept that for a minutes. You do Frontline to get into PvP, and that's some how going to make you want to try out Wolves Den? Why?

I DON'T KNOW?! Maybe because there will be new cool and interesting PvP modes and battlegrounds in this game in the future where Moral and PvP gear IS A FACTOR?!

This game is still young. Anything can happen and I'm pretty sure they have big plan for PvP in the future.

Originally Posted by Rawk

We're simply asking that our pvp gear matters, because we worked hard for it.

I don't understand how you guys honestly think PvP gear doesn't matter. I mean, it looks cool and it's a bit broken in Wolf's Den.

Of course it won't matter in Frontlines, but it still matters in other aspecs.

It'll more than likely be useful in future arenas and battlegrounds.

Originally Posted by Ragecake

Of course it won't matter in Frontlines, but it still matters in other aspect.

ftfy. (grammar be damned, I'm tired)

It still matters in aspect, singular.

It matters in Lv50 Wolves Den and that is it. The same piece of content the people who have the gear have been grinding since it was added.

It's like adding endgame activities and then telling us that our gear will only matter for Levequests...

Originally Posted by Nalien

It's like adding endgame activities and then telling us that our gear will only matter for Levequests...

That's a terrible analogy and you should feel bad for it. My point is that PvP gear matters period.

Originally Posted by Shake0615

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lol I don't think this is the game for you. The only thing I feel bad for is the time investment you've made to all be a waste.

Originally Posted by Rawk

We're specifically talking about Frontlines here.

Well it's already clear that pvp gear is not going to be a factor in Frontlines. Is this discussion over now?

Originally Posted by Ragecake

My point is that PvP gear matters period.

Except it doesn't.

It matters for Wolves Den, where you'll be sitting in a queue for eternity after 2.3 because everyone would rather do Frontlines for fun.

And no, before you bother, mystical future content that may or may not happen doesn't count as a reason for PvP gear mattering.