Thread: 2.3 Frontline What do we know?

Originally Posted by Ragecake

*butthurt intensifies*

oooooooook buddy. If you really say so.

Until next time.

Loled hard at having it to edit it from "rage intensifies" to butthurt intensifies. Whoa bro you are so cool, the pinnacle of badassery. Probably still rereading his post to come up with other ways to spit out his insults. And lol at all his posts. You REALLY are cool posting rustled jimmies memes as your responses. No like really, you are cool as fck. Gonna quote my favorite poster's post on these forums in response

"Are you that stupid? Super serious question: are you stupid?"

LMAO

Originally Posted by Shake0615

I'll quote myself here to point out that I am not in favor of having a "roflstomping" kind of competitive advantage. I don't feel the need to go be a god on the battlefield and wag my e-peen in everyone's face. But when I began my grind through the Wolves' Den, I did it with the understanding that my work would pay off in gear much the same way that my trek through the Binding Coil would provide me with gear. If their intent was never to include PvP gear as a part of Frontlines, they simply should have been more up front about it and I frankly wouldn't have bothered with the Wolves' Den at all.

Shake, don't even bother. He speaks of balance, but how is it balance when a certain gear will be completely missing a stat. HAVING 3 STATS VS 4 STATS IS BALANCE AMIRITE

Originally Posted by Epistane

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I'll get back to you tomorrow when you've calmed down.

Originally Posted by Shake0615

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Wow. It sounds like you don't have much fun in this game. Heartbreaking to see...

Also, do you even read my posts?

More on this tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Rawk

Also, I've said this before, morale stat is vastly overrated. It's actually not that powerful as people like to believe. A set of ilvl70 gear and you're fine as long as you learn how to pvp.

I actually agree with you on this. I have a theory though that the dev team is going to rework the moral stat to work differently in the future.

On another note, if you farmed R40 and pvp gear for the reason of Frontlines, you're going to have a bad time.

Originally Posted by rappa

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I know I'm repeating myself, but I think it's called appealing to the masses and getting people interested in pvp.

I know it all too well how it is to farm something and then to immediately use it and getting the achievement. New progression patch comes out, hard work to kill bosses, get the loots, rinse and repeat for the next content patch. I too think it is strange to release a pvp battleground without the use of the pvp stat. I started to question, "What is the grand plan SE is trying to do with Frontline?". I mean, I'm not happy that my pvp gear will be practically rendered useless in Frontlines, but I'm not unhappy either. Even if I did spend 3000 hours solo queuing as dps in the Wolf's Den to get my R40 and ilvl 100 pvp gear, my stance would still be the same on this.

Yes it is strange that moral may have no factor in Frontlines, but it would probably be better to look at the bigger picture of the current and future FFXIV ARR pvp scene.

Everyone ask yourselves: Why would SE make Moral a non-factor in the new battleground Frontlines?

Originally Posted by Ragecake

I know I'm repeating myself, but I think it's called appealing to the masses and getting people interested in pvp.

Said this plenty now, but that's something they should have addressed months ago. PvP has been dead in the water since launch (or close enough), they should have made it more appealing in the months following, not pushing Frontlines under the bus to try and save PvP now. People have been begging for new game modes in Wolves Den since launch, they did nothing. People begged for skills to be more accessible, they did it at the last possible minute. People begged them to make the grind more tolerable, they still refuse to change it. It's inane.

No real sense lamenting what they could, and should, have done I guess. Though they could still put Frontlines behind a Rank requirement and fix the grind up a bit. Then there is a clear sense of progression and anyone coming into Frontlines should have been able to obtain some gear by the time they can enter.

Another thing that gets me is that comment Yoshida made ages ago;

Front Line which is planned for release in patch 2.3 (battle between 3 teams) is probably good place to try out PvP before getting into the real PvP. PvP is not limited to 24 players, there may be much more.

OK. Lets accept that for a minutes. You do Frontline to get into PvP, and that's some how going to make you want to try out Wolves Den? Why? Is anyone going to go "Oh look at this guy, he has the R40 gear that does absolutely nothing here" and lust after it for anything over than vanity?

Literally the only hope I have left now is that the comment about Frontlines having the same rewards +tomestones can be taken literally, as in; Wolves Den = ~1m match for xEXP/Marks, Frontlines = 30m for xEXP/Marks +the same tomestones as 1 daily quest. But again, seeing as you'll see PvP progression doing nothing in Frontlines, why would it then be something you want to go after? Wolves Den didn't draw those people in, and it still wont. With progression destroyed as it now is, why would people suddenly want to progress? If it was a case of "Do Wolves Den to R25, then enter Frontlines to R40", it could have been perfect...

Originally Posted by Nalien

Said this plenty now, but that's something they should have addressed months ago.

Okay, so they didn't do anything or address the core of all the issue revolving pvp when it first came out. I mean, sure they could continued to let 4 SMNs queue together and everyone on the enemy team gets rekt AND they could have let SMNs res people. But they fixed that cause it was broken. They also made it mandatory for group compositions to be 2 dps (one melee one ranged) 1 healer and 1 tank. This was for balance issues obviously.

Even after these changes, Wolf's Den is still dead. There is no denying that and it's SE's fault for that.

What would you rather have? SE to not make anymore update to pvp? From all the complaining in these threads, it's like you guys would be happier if they would scrap Frontlines and made no future updates to pvp in this game. If that's not comical I don't know what is.

Edit: because you edited your post while I was making a new response post. gg wp forums

Originally Posted by Nalien

OK. Lets accept that for a minutes. You do Frontline to get into PvP, and that's some how going to make you want to try out Wolves Den? Why?

I DON'T KNOW?! Maybe because there will be new cool and interesting PvP modes and battlegrounds in this game in the future where Moral and PvP gear IS A FACTOR?!

This game is still young. Anything can happen and I'm pretty sure they have big plan for PvP in the future.