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  1. #61
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    At this point I don't care if they do away with morale entirely. I just want to know that PvP gear plays a role in PvP progression. If that means that the gear bought at the Wolves' Den is the only gear that can have +3 Stun Resistance or +3 Sleep Resistance then I'm totally fine with that. I agree with everyone that utterly monkeystomping people in arena or battlegrounds isn't good for anyone. But there has to be value behind the grind to get that i90/i100 PvP gear.

    But if morale is out the window without any further changes that means that Direwolf and the i100 gear is completely obsolete without a replacement stat.
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    well ... at least my pvp sets will make nice souvenirs
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  3. #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragecake View Post
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    How do you figure I'm entitled by saying that work should provide a reward? Is it entitled to say that someone who completes their Animus upgrade should have a better weapon than something bought at a vendor? Is it entitled to say that someone who farms tomestones should be able to exchange them for something worth their time? I'm not even arguing from my own situation because I'm Rank 26 and don't have even half of the Direwolf gear. Yet I'm arguing in favor of the people who have the i100 gear because I think that they deserve a return for the investment of their time. That's the plain truth about this: people (including myself) who spent their time preparing for Frontlines in order to have a competitive advantage are getting screwed because the gear is now obsolete. Without the morale stat, all PvP gear is inferior to their PvE counterparts. End of story. If Morale is removed then it must be replaced with something that makes PvP gear competitive again. This is not entitlement. It's common sense that when you're presented with an opportunity to work in a video game, then you should have a reasonable expectation that your work will pay off.

    I won't even bother with responding to the rest of your insults.
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    Last edited by Shake0615; 06-13-2014 at 10:31 PM. Reason: Edited language

  4. #64
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawk View Post
    The playerbase that actually enjoyed PvP and played it for fun gets their reward removed, while players that didn't enjoy PvP are left unscathed.
    ^ This. The people who didn't like PVP were probably alot of the same ones who thought they were going to waltz up in their 50 Job gear in level 50 arenas, thinking they were going own it, then when the gate opened, they got crushed and destroyed by r30s/r40s, time and time again, over and over and now they hate arenas all because they were in the wrong arena. in 30/40s arenas, PVP gear doesn't even matter anyway so if they were in 50s with no PVP gear and got crushed, that's their own fault. 50s is suppose to be a challenging reward, not a revolving door for people who just hit level 50. I don't see why people can't understand that.
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  5. #65
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    Before the patch they bchd and moaned about getting smashed by r30s and now after the patch they are still bching and moaning about getting smashed by r40s. Some people are never satisfied. The people who are getting crushed in Wolve's Den, will be the same ones getting crushed in Frontlines and will be the same ones coming back to the forums to bch and moan about something else. Inb4 the bching and moaning about players in Frontlines.
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  6. #66
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shake0615 View Post
    That's the plain truth about this: people (not myself) who spent their time preparing for Frontlines in order to have a competitive advantage are getting screwed because their gear is now obsolete.
    I understand the need for people to jump into a bg and roflstomp everyone with thier pvp weapons and gears, but the designers clearly didn't want that. They want Frontlines to be accessible to ALL.

    ilvl 100 pvp isn't useless. It's currently pretty good for Wolf's Den and glamours and bragging rights.

    With R40 and ilvl 100 pvp gear, you aren't preparing Frontlines. You're preparing for the future of pvp in FFXIV ARR.

    So hold on your crazy amazing pvp gear. I'm pretty sure there will be more usage for pvp gear in the future.

    Please look forward to it!

    And yes, you seem to be portraying yourself as entitled. wtf
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    Last edited by Ragecake; 06-13-2014 at 04:02 PM.

  7. #67
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    Quote Originally Posted by Epistane View Post
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    *butthurt intensifies*

    oooooooook buddy. If you really say so.

    Until next time.
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  8. #68
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shake0615 View Post
    However, please don't make the mistake of assuming that I'm defending a system that allows i100 players to one-shot others. Not at all! I've gotten slammed by enough high rank, high item level parties in my time. I just feel that if Morale is to be phased out of large scale encounters then there MUST be a replacement stat on the PvP gear that makes it useful in Frontlines (or maybe a set bonus?). Otherwise, a player like myself who hasn't even tried the new Coil Turns for lack of interest will be compelled to complete PvE content that I don't want to in order to play the PvP content that I do. At the moment that isn't a problem because Frontlines will be synced to 80, but in the future that will change.
    I'll quote myself here to point out that I am not in favor of having a "roflstomping" kind of competitive advantage. I don't feel the need to go be a god on the battlefield and wag my e-peen in everyone's face. But when I began my grind through the Wolves' Den, I did it with the understanding that my work would pay off in gear much the same way that my trek through the Binding Coil would provide me with gear. If their intent was never to include PvP gear as a part of Frontlines, they simply should have been more up front about it and I frankly wouldn't have bothered with the Wolves' Den at all. Again, the issue here is that PvP gear has been unnecessarily and unceremoniously deprecated to the point that it is useless in what appears to be one of the major focal points of FFXIV's PvP.
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    Last edited by Shake0615; 06-13-2014 at 04:11 PM. Reason: Clarification

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragecake View Post
    *butthurt intensifies*

    oooooooook buddy. If you really say so.

    Until next time.
    Loled hard at having it to edit it from "rage intensifies" to butthurt intensifies. Whoa bro you are so cool, the pinnacle of badassery. Probably still rereading his post to come up with other ways to spit out his insults. And lol at all his posts. You REALLY are cool posting rustled jimmies memes as your responses. No like really, you are cool as fck. Gonna quote my favorite poster's post on these forums in response

    "Are you that stupid? Super serious question: are you stupid?"

    LMAO




    Quote Originally Posted by Shake0615 View Post
    I'll quote myself here to point out that I am not in favor of having a "roflstomping" kind of competitive advantage. I don't feel the need to go be a god on the battlefield and wag my e-peen in everyone's face. But when I began my grind through the Wolves' Den, I did it with the understanding that my work would pay off in gear much the same way that my trek through the Binding Coil would provide me with gear. If their intent was never to include PvP gear as a part of Frontlines, they simply should have been more up front about it and I frankly wouldn't have bothered with the Wolves' Den at all.
    Shake, don't even bother. He speaks of balance, but how is it balance when a certain gear will be completely missing a stat. HAVING 3 STATS VS 4 STATS IS BALANCE AMIRITE
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    Last edited by Epistane; 06-13-2014 at 04:26 PM. Reason: I NO SPEAKA ENGLISHU

  10. #70
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    Quote Originally Posted by Epistane View Post
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    I'll get back to you tomorrow when you've calmed down.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shake0615 View Post
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    Wow. It sounds like you don't have much fun in this game. Heartbreaking to see...

    Also, do you even read my posts?

    More on this tomorrow.
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