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    Quote Originally Posted by Kerberon View Post
    Because exploits and cheating are wrong.
    It's not an exploit or cheating. You may think it should be considered that, but it doesn't make it so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim View Post
    It's not an exploit or cheating. You may think it should be considered that, but it doesn't make it so.
    I'll agree it isn't really cheating since it is a gameplay design but it most certainly is an exploit. No class in this game can become a 'pseudo-bot' to such a degree with /follow, that I'm sure it's balancing a fine line in breaching the ToS in regards to automated play. I'd genuinely be curious what a GM's stance is on this because while I doubt you'd get in trouble for utilizing this since no third-party program is used, I also doubt they would punish somebody for booting a SCH who afk followed an instance. If anything SE will probably ignore the issue until it becomes more widespread an toxic and are forced to butcher Eos/Selenes' heals when level synched.
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    Enh. I would consider it pretty widespread already. Ever since launch the fairies could heal low level dungeons solo. I always put on cleric stance and dps while just the letting fairies heal. I also don't consider it an exploit since it doesn't affect the game overall. We're talking low level dungeons here- once you get past level 30 it's a different story and if a person doesn't know how to heal they won't progress very far. If someone is afk healing you can kick them. That's why they added the vote kick function. I think a lot of people are exaggerating. It'd be one thing if you could do this all the way to level 50 but that's not the case. It's certainly not game breaking and far from toxic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manuka View Post
    Had to snip this due to length
    It's not an exploit. lol. Exploiting is cheating and you can be banned over that, knowingly or otherwise. Because other classes can't do it is not a valid argument. On a bard you can regen the parties mana by only clicking one button, /following then AFKing if you want, that's automated. No other class can do that but it's not an exploit. Sure a bard's song(or Eos) might be OP and should be nerfed in some of the public's opinion. Calling it an exploit and saying people should be banned over it(which was in someone else's post) is a little melodramatic. There are many other ways to approach this subject... why do it in this fashion?

    SE has known about this since shortly after SCH were released into the game. It does not hold back the team from completing the content or make them suddenly jump to the end. It's a non-issue that sometimes drums up debate over video game ethics.
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    Last edited by Elim; 06-11-2014 at 03:28 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim View Post
    -snip-
    I meant exploit more as a design flaw/oversight but if you put it like that, then yeah you're cheating. If you're exploiting this for a reward with zero work besides entering an instance with a specific class, isn't much different than people using bots to gain more profit for minimal effort. And I don't understand the bard analogy. Do you realistically see a bard afk following in an instance and not get booted? I don't.

    While I wouldn't like to see people banned for doing this I hope they fix it, it really is unfair to the other people stuck with you. Video game ethics or not, it's just a lame attitude and not something to be proud of.
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