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    Kerberon's Avatar
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    Lughna Ravensworn
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    Excalibur
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    Gladiator Lv 40
    Quote Originally Posted by Elim View Post
    Let me put this into perspective.

    Eos is capable of healing low level dungeons without the help of the SCH himself or herself. By saying you want the SCH himself or herself to also heal, you're saying you want the SCH to heal more than what is necessary which is called overhealing. Overhealing is bad. Tl;dr You're asking the SCH to be bad to make you happy.

    Now, if you're saying you don't want the SCH to heal but to DPS, then as aforementioned anything beyond healing from a healer is a bonus.
    Let me put my opinion bluntly then. If you having all your healing covered by EoS and are not dps'ing but are half / fully afk on follow, you are no different than a bot and should receive a perma ban for botting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elim View Post
    I think saying people should be banned for it is worse than doing it. In my opinion it's an extreme, and gross, reaction to something that is not an issue but a preference of a player.

    Now if SE takes away the ability to summon Eos in low level dungeons or halves her ability, I'd be fine with it. Even though it'd be nice to keep her the way she is now, as I DPS when I do low level dungeons as a SCH because I want them to go quicker.
    Accepting it is worse than banning. Perhaps the best solution is to remove the fairy in pre 30 dungeons. Seems too many people want to cheat to have nice things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Virgil View Post
    People be hatin' on those who take advantage of SCH's ability to get the same amount of rewards for less work.

    If that bothers you so much then you play SCH too! Become a master of being useful and useless at the same time and get crap for it! You'll even help with DF queue times overall with more healers in the pool! Everyone wins!
    I'm leveling a scholar currently. I dps in low level dungeons. follow-afk is the same as a bot, is the same as an exploit in my opinion. They're all ways to cheat, and all despicable.
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    Last edited by Kerberon; 06-10-2014 at 04:10 PM.

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    Elim Lovecraft
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    Faerie
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Kerberon View Post
    Let me put my opinion bluntly then. If you having all your healing covered by EoS and are not dps'ing but are half / fully afk on follow, you are no different than a bot and should receive a perma ban for botting.
    I think saying people should be banned for it is worse than doing it. In my opinion it's an extreme, and gross, reaction to something that is not an issue but a preference of a player.

    Now if SE takes away the ability to summon Eos in low level dungeons or halves her ability, I'd be fine with it. Even though it'd be nice to keep her the way she is now, as I DPS when I do low level dungeons as a SCH because I want them to go quicker.
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    Last edited by Elim; 06-10-2014 at 04:07 PM.

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    Enk'i Faer
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    Diabolos
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    Machinist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Virgil View Post
    -snip-
    It's not even about going above and beyond for a party. I don't know, maybe it's my Canadian sensibilities talking but by /following a party member and letting your fairy do all the work while you go afk is basically telling your team "Yeah, my time is much more precious than yours so can you just play puppetmaster for the next 20mins or so and get me my roulette? k thnx bai." It just seems like a really rude and disrespectful thing to do since I bet they wept a little seeing that intro for the 50th time. Then they come to realize they're playing babysitter to some SCH's avatar, it's probably a frustrating experience.

    Honestly I haven't been paired with a SCH in a looong time outside CT since I main it myself, so I was never aware this happened. But consider this; nobody chooses to partner with you or other SCH's, the DF does that for them, which is why I personally think if you're gonna low lvl roulette to at least show some form of etiquette that you would expect to receive yourself. Because really if your team could have the pick of the litter, do you think you would ever get chosen over the SCH who at least participates in the self-induced purgatory that is tam tara?
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    Virgil Cesius
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    Ultros
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    Marauder Lv 51
    People be hatin' on those who take advantage of SCH's ability to get the same amount of rewards for less work.

    If that bothers you so much then you play SCH too! Become a master of being useful and useless at the same time and get crap for it! You'll even help with DF queue times overall with more healers in the pool! Everyone wins!
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    Pep Per
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    Cactuar
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    all this thread did was make me want to try this out. thank you!
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    Velo'a Nharoz
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    Mateus
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Why aren't you guys using vote-kick for this? Someone using /follow, SCH or not, can be assumed to be AFK. You can't stop a SCH from manually running and not healing, but at least you're forcing them to actually sit at their screen for credit.

    Seriously, if everyone just started kicking SCH who do this, you would see the problem vanish as they would stop getting their roulette credit and bonuses. The community just has to take collective stand against it.
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    LalaRu's Avatar
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    Mi An
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    Phantom
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    Paladin Lv 80
    An healer that lets its Eos heal is no more lazy than a tank that aggro things and then wait the things die maybe pressing 1 1 1 sometime.

    Then healers have duties as Bray hard, that they are the only ones pressed to do their job. DPS there just sit and do their rotations until mobs die. Tanks just aggro a pack, then sitting there popping up cooldowns when they ready. Healer have all the hell out to keep tank alive and one error is a wipe.

    Got the impression some community thinks the healer just a commodity that follows around. No wonder tanks running away and start bosses without healers and/or buffs on. This negates the MMO common sense I made in the years, as example wait buff and healer in range before start aggro. On top of that, then blaming healer because he wasn't so fast as tank on running ahead. This is L-O-L.
    Also saw i100 Tanks doing noob things as go aggro without even checking if buffs on and healer in range. One also started aggro while I still were in first CS.
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    LalaLeChat's Avatar
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    Yuki Kitsune
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    Louisoix
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    Red Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by LalaRu View Post
    Got the impression some community thinks the healer just a commodity that follows around. No wonder tanks running away and start bosses without healers and/or buffs on. This negates the MMO common sense I made in the years, as example wait buff and healer in range before start aggro. On top of that, then blaming healer because he wasn't so fast as tank on running ahead. This is L-O-L.
    Also saw i100 Tanks doing noob things as go aggro without even checking if buffs on and healer in range. One also started aggro while I still were in first CS.
    I had that happen to me the other day, am preparing to put on buffs which takes like 2sec to cast but apparently that's too long for this group they just run off, ask for them to wait in chat no reaction! trying to catch I take a wrong turn and get killed by adds, party wipes, tank rage quits and dps vote abandon. Should have used 'follow' LOL
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    Kio Kurokami
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    Tonberry
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    Pugilist Lv 80
    It's hilarious how angry some people get at a video game. If you didn't die, I don't understand the problem.
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    Rui Ooshima
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    Tonberry
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    Bard Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Grembo View Post
    Really doh, you seem to be acting overly negative about how I play the game.

    I bort dis gaym and pay munfly fee no were dus it say in the manule I ave 2 not run out of MP, tank well and not wipe team.
    I wasn't targetting at anyone. I'm just saying in general. And btw, there is no where in the manual that says healers have to DPS either.



    Quote Originally Posted by Kerberon View Post
    Let me put my opinion bluntly then. If you having all your healing covered by EoS and are not dps'ing but are half / fully afk on follow, you are no different than a bot and should receive a perma ban for botting.
    You are wrong. I wish a GM or rep/dev would respond to show you that you are incorrect. Healer's job is always heal. That's your opinion only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elim View Post
    Let me put this into perspective.

    Eos is capable of healing low level dungeons without the help of the SCH himself or herself.

    Now if you're saying you don't want the SCH to overheal but to DPS then as aforementioned anything beyond healing from a healer is a bonus.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kiokin View Post
    It's hilarious how angry some people get at a video game. If you didn't die, I don't understand the problem.
    +1

    Quote Originally Posted by Manuka View Post
    Is he at the keyboard pressing buttons and putting in some effort? If yes then he can be as bad as he wants, I'll carry that scrub even if he gets hit by every AoE. >:3c
    You realized that as a SCH, if everyone hates "follow" so much, there is no difference that I still pet heal only and not gonna DPS but just to do /manderville or /change pose or /laugh at the mobs all day long? Well that makes me mash buttons.
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