Why do the Egis appearance look awful and unimpressive

[Diavolo]

Actually it has zero basis in lore whatsoever.

The premise of primals isn't that you need a ton of crystals and/or lives to summon them, it's that they're stronger the more of those things they have. We know this because in the main story quest both Ifrit and Titan are summoned by the cries of only 3 of their respective beast tribe members, none of which had any crystals in their possession that we know of. The only lore that exists to justify the egis is the lore they added specifically for summoner quests, in other words AFTER they decided to go the egi route.

What I got from it was they needed crystals/followers/sacrifices. And if what you say is the case, then it just justifies it. You're summoning the essence of a primal without crystals/etc to make it stronger...so...

[Pandastirfry]

Actually it has zero basis in lore whatsoever.

The premise of primals isn't that you need a ton of crystals and/or lives to summon them, it's that they're stronger the more of those things they have. We know this because in the main story quest both Ifrit and Titan are summoned by the cries of only 3 of their respective beast tribe members, none of which had any crystals in their possession that we know of. The only lore that exists to justify the egis is the lore they added specifically for summoner quests, in other words AFTER they decided to go the egi route.

Uh...you need to pay attention to the story better, The Amal'ja Had been stealing shipments of crystals and kidnapping people prior to that in order to summon Ifrit, we just happened to be there at the culmination of their efforts, same goes for the Summoning of Titan, they also draw upon the collective belief of all their tempered thralls, not just the one doing the summoning. Only the Ixal had summoned the Primal previous to us showing up, but yet again the stealing of crystal shipments/kid napping of people was a major theme of the quests leading up to the fight. This is spelled out in the main story. in the 1.0 story line it was even pointed out the the Twelve can also be summoned in a similar fashion and was even floated by the Path of the Twelve/Scions of the Seventh Dawn as a possible solution to the whole Meteor Problem. but that it is just as detremental to the aetheric balance of the world as summoning the Primals, and would make us "No better than the Beast Tribes".

The lore for Summoner is that we're not calling upon belief or the power of the crystals. We're not summoning a willing Primal. we're forcibly binding a small amount of the aetheric essence of the Primal. Basically unlike WoW's Warlock or FFXI's Summoner who make contracts or blood pacts with their summons, we are, to use a more accurate term, "enslaving" the primal's essence. One could argue that FFXIV's Summoner is actually more "evil" than WoW's Warlock.

[Amberion]

Well, the devs are damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they had full blown primals, people would bitch that they weren't sticking to lore and that they are totally messing up the whole notion that a tonne of crystals and lives are needed to summon them. And since they decided to go the lore-friendly route, now people bitch that they aren't impressive enough (despite the fact that you're only summoning the ESSENCE of the primal, not the primal itself). There really is no way for them to win.

Shouldn't they have thought of that when they where writing the story? Anyone that has any knowledge of FF series would know that Chocobos and the summons/summoner has become the key features people know of when you ask them about the Final Fantasy Series.

Or heck, the players got special "powah" against primals, they could have easily made a way for summoners to summon a de-powered Primal.

[Nalien]

Or heck, the players got special "powah" against primals, they could have easily made a way for summoners to summon a de-powered Primal.

Like I said earlier, it's the fans fault. FFXIV was hated so much that they literally had to do everything to make ARR a Final Fantasy game in their eyes. That included putting Summoner in for launch.

If Summoner was actually summoning a depowered Primal, then that would have had to rush the story forward so much, the whole "Primals are evil that taint the very land they walk on" plot that has been going for all this time would basically have to be rushed to explain why Summoner can summon them anyway. Taking a portion of the Aether you were exposed to fighting the Primal, and melding that into your own pet Egi allows them to explain Summoner and not rush the plot, while still giving fans Summoner at launch. Currently the whole plot is building up to our Free Companies actually being able to summon Primals fully. Would I have liked that at launch? Hell yes I would, but it would have made the plot even more convoluted than it already is, there would simply have been far too much stuff going on and have made very little sense. What hasn't even been explained yet would have to be in the game by Lv30... Even if you just put it there, most of the Lv31+ plot would just fall apart at that point.

The only issue is how the Egis look, but I've hated how some summons looked in past Final Fantasy games already. I mean, Ixion instead of Ramuh? What the hell FFX. Clearly not a real Lightning Summon, the developers should have fixed that for the HD rerelease.

[Nalien]

Who's fault is that though?

The fans, for wanting Summoner in the first place.

Summons in XIV are going to be impressive, we knew of this long before Summoner was announced. Free Companies would battle the Primal, then be able to summon it in full force, similar to the cinematic summonings of old.

But people wanted Summoner the Job, so the developers had to make a distinction between Summoner the Job, and Summoner the FC event. As a Job, it makes sense for the summons to be less powerful and less flashy, otherwise it's overpowered from a gameplay point and a aesthetics point. Summoner already is pretty overpowered in both regards anyway, and that'll only get worse with new Egis. The only other Job that comes close is Scholar, and even the Selene and Eos are both reskins of each other, rather than having unique models, not to mention they're both not really that flashy. Summoner gets a mini version of all the Primals finishing move.

[BloodPact]

I know Summoner's summon the Primals in the form of high spirits but why do they look like something that I would cook up and eat.
Ifrit Egi - looks like a red chicken with horns
Titan Egi - looks like chicken nuggets
Garuda Egi - looks like a green duck.
At the very least the Egis should resemble the Primals.

Are the multiple threads you've spammed in the DPS section about this not enough?

[Deifact]

Just wanting to pipe in and quietly mention lore isn't a good justification for anything... The lore in this game is a total mess with contradictions aplenty...

[AmyNeudaiz]

Just wanting to pipe in and quietly mention lore isn't a good justification for anything... The lore in this game is a total mess with contradictions aplenty...

Not white knight but the lore in this game is plenty non-contradictory as you can get when they literally rewrote the plot for the story and took it in a new direction. There's not a lot of "contradictions" outside of the things that people get confused about.

Otherwise it's just harassment.

If I'm harassing the OP then what do you call your replies to me? Accusations against my person, attempts to discredit, bringing up previous posts...
C'mon now.

[abesut]

Just wanting to pipe in and quietly mention lore isn't a good justification for anything... The lore in this game is a total mess with contradictions aplenty...

Just wanted to back you up on that;

Lore tells us;
Primals= Bad for Life and ppl in general. We kill Primals...cause ya know; BAD for Life and Everything. *here comes the /sigh lore twist*
FC Summoning= Good thing, is eco friendly, and doesnt kill the planet, even though that's the number 1 reason we as players kill Primals. And as a FC with only BAD reputation for the Primal, we get to summon and Control it, even though their original beast tribes can't.
So yeah, contradictions.
Gotta love dat lore. Makes sense >.<

[Pandastirfry]

Just wanted to back you up on that;

Lore tells us;
Primals= Bad for Life and ppl in general. We kill Primals...cause ya know; BAD for Life and Everything. *here comes the /sigh lore twist*
FC Summoning= Good thing, is eco friendly, and doesnt kill the planet, even though that's the number 1 reason we as players kill Primals. And as a FC with only BAD reputation for the Primal, we get to summon and Control it, even though their original beast tribes can't.
So yeah, contradictions.
Gotta love dat lore. Makes sense >.<

wait how is the lore messed up by a thing that hasn't been added to the lore, or even the game, at all yet? It was only announced as a mechanic they want to add some time in the future, and to be fair, was announced before ARR's launch and never really mentioned since.